I don't think he would've been a graded stakes winner. But not only did greedmore keep tossing him into races on turf they kept tossing him into stakes races as well. Despute him floundering. Not only did they fail him his trainer failed him as well.Then they turned around and just did the same damn thing to City of Troy. Would've made a hell of alot more sense to put Troy into a smaller dirt race first to see if he even liked it.Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 9:47 amI never understood why they sent him to Ireland for his 3yo year. When he showed he really didn't like running on the turf, they didn't stop, they just kept trying. Sure there is no way to know if he would have been a GSW if he stayed in the US on the dirt. But it was a lot more likely than on a surface he didn't like.Akitaperson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:39 amHopefully Patrick doesn't just poof and they put out an article. That horse got so screwed over by coolmore.Nenikikamen23 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:39 pm Khozan is now at Ocala Stud. Chance It moved to Virginia, I think that leaves St Patrick's Day. What's up with Journeyman? Did I miss something?
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The reason I said there is no reason to tell if he would have been a GSW is. He beat Instilled Regard in his Maiden win and he was G1p at 2 and won one of Fair Grounds Triple Crown preps before becoming a G1 winner on the turf at 5. He also beat Blended Citizen who was a MG3 winner. Fields end up short in CA a lot, I'm sure Baffert would have found a race for him. Plus his best of that crop, McKinzie was out a lot of his 3yo year and Justify only raced for a few months.Akitaperson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 11:38 amI don't think he would've been a graded stakes winner. But not only did greedmore keep tossing him into races on turf they kept tossing him into stakes races as well. Despute him floundering. Not only did they fail him his trainer failed him as well.Then they turned around and just did the same damn thing to City of Troy. Would've made a hell of alot more sense to put Troy into a smaller dirt race first to see if he even liked it.Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 9:47 amI never understood why they sent him to Ireland for his 3yo year. When he showed he really didn't like running on the turf, they didn't stop, they just kept trying. Sure there is no way to know if he would have been a GSW if he stayed in the US on the dirt. But it was a lot more likely than on a surface he didn't like.Akitaperson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:39 am
Hopefully Patrick doesn't just poof and they put out an article. That horse got so screwed over by coolmore.
I understand why they tried City of Troy on the dirt in the Classic. Running poorly in that race isn't seen as bad as running poorly in a lower race. They did the same with Giant's Causeway and he came within a hair of winning. Declaration of War finished 3rd when they tried with him. And not in the Classic but they sent Johannesburg over to win the Juvenile off a strictly turf campaign. Yes they also had plenty like City of Troy and Galileo and the disgusting death of George Washington.
Those are completely different than what they did to St. Patrick's Day. But they do stuff like St. Patrick's Day all the time. They buy yearlings that are purely dirt bred and then send them to Ireland to race on the grass. Never give them a shot on the dirt ever. Like they bought an expensive Gun Runner yearling last year, Gun Runner has 1 SW on the turf, and they sent the colt to Ireland. He has a stupid name so that means they know he isn't any good on the turf. He was entered a bit ago but hasn't started yet. But why do they buy million dollar + yearlings that aren't going to race on the turf and try to force them to? Its baffling.
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Battalion Runner was sold to Uruguay in October.
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G1W Sisfahan (Isfahan × Kendalee, by Kendargent) will enter stud in France next year. He was purchased by an Irish syndicate; the stud farm has not been announced. He won the 2021 German Derby (G1) and a G2 in Italy. His dam is a ½ sister to Beaumec de Houelle, a sire and G1W over hurdles.
https://galopponline.de/zucht/sisfahan- ... ch-werden/
G1W Assistent (Sea the Moon × Anna Kalla, by Kallisto) will stand at his breeder’s Gestut Rottgen in Germany for €4,500.
https://galopponline.de/top/assistent-k ... -roettgen/
G2W Best of Lips (The Gurkha × Beata, by Silver Frost) will stand at Gestut Etzean in Germany for €4,500. He is a winner of graded races in Germany and Italy and is G1-placed. His dam is a ½ sister to French champion filly Bright Sky.
https://galopponline.de/top/best-of-lip ... -500-euro/
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G1W Assistent (Sea the Moon × Anna Kalla, by Kallisto) will stand at his breeder’s Gestut Rottgen in Germany for €4,500.
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G2W Best of Lips (The Gurkha × Beata, by Silver Frost) will stand at Gestut Etzean in Germany for €4,500. He is a winner of graded races in Germany and Italy and is G1-placed. His dam is a ½ sister to French champion filly Bright Sky.
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Just found that G3W Hopeful Treasure (Oxbow) covered mares in Pennsylvania this year. Love Oxbow so I'm selfishly happy every time he gets a son at stud.
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Sadly those sons are probably going ti be how he makes his name given Oxbow doesn't cover many mares at allNenikikamen23 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:03 pm Just found that G3W Hopeful Treasure (Oxbow) covered mares in Pennsylvania this year. Love Oxbow so I'm selfishly happy every time he gets a son at stud.
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Another post about Volponi, he looks bad, considering his age I haven't seen a Thoroughbred look like that...
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I got my first pony when he was 6 and I was 4, and I kept him until his very last day 24 years later. Breed doesn’t matter, almost all old horses are going to look old.
Idk guys, yall want updates of horses from overseas, but when we get genuine candid content, we say the geriatric horse looks bad.
Idk guys, yall want updates of horses from overseas, but when we get genuine candid content, we say the geriatric horse looks bad.
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People said Hansen looked bad when they posted pictures of him being perturbed in his stall (they brought him in during a storm) because...his mane and tail were a bit unkempt. This was despite him looking clean and having a decent weight for his age.
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You'll be happy to learn that his SW son Flap Jack is standing in Arkansas (bred 3 mares this year). I'm also a big fan of Oxbow.Nenikikamen23 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:03 pm Just found that G3W Hopeful Treasure (Oxbow) covered mares in Pennsylvania this year. Love Oxbow so I'm selfishly happy every time he gets a son at stud.
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Yeah and they are most likely people that have never been around a horse and don't realize some horses like being dirty. He is definitely that sort.Mylute wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:54 am People said Hansen looked bad when they posted pictures of him being perturbed in his stall (they brought him in during a storm) because...his mane and tail were a bit unkempt. This was despite him looking clean and having a decent weight for his age.
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4xSW Bye Bye Bobby (Quality Road × Revel in the Win, by Red Bullet) will stand at A&A Ranch in New Mexico for $3,000.
SW Magic Spoon (Good Magic × Canadian Mistress, by Canadian Frontier) will stand at Cabin Creek Farm in Pennsylvania for a private fee.
Conquest Farenheit (Scat Daddy) will move to Wolfpaw Stables in Wyoming from California for a private fee.
Tai Chi (High Chaparral) will move to Haras des Beaux in France from Germany for €3,000.
SW Magic Spoon (Good Magic × Canadian Mistress, by Canadian Frontier) will stand at Cabin Creek Farm in Pennsylvania for a private fee.
Conquest Farenheit (Scat Daddy) will move to Wolfpaw Stables in Wyoming from California for a private fee.
Tai Chi (High Chaparral) will move to Haras des Beaux in France from Germany for €3,000.
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I’ll take dirt and mud over a blue tail any day.Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:01 amYeah and they are most likely people that have never been around a horse and don't realize some horses like being dirty. He is definitely that sort.Mylute wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:54 am People said Hansen looked bad when they posted pictures of him being perturbed in his stall (they brought him in during a storm) because...his mane and tail were a bit unkempt. This was despite him looking clean and having a decent weight for his age.
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I've heard Hansen is making a name for himself over there as a sire. Personally I love pasture photos of stallions. Just like the one of Hansen where he is no doubt a happy mud ballFlanders wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:01 amYeah and they are most likely people that have never been around a horse and don't realize some horses like being dirty. He is definitely that sort.Mylute wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:54 am People said Hansen looked bad when they posted pictures of him being perturbed in his stall (they brought him in during a storm) because...his mane and tail were a bit unkempt. This was despite him looking clean and having a decent weight for his age.
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He led the Korean general sire list in 2020 and 2023 and was also Korean champion juvenile sire in 2023.Akitaperson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2024 1:11 pmI've heard Hansen is making a name for himself over there as a sire. Personally I love pasture photos of stallions. Just like the one of Hansen where he is no doubt a happy mud ballFlanders wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:01 amYeah and they are most likely people that have never been around a horse and don't realize some horses like being dirty. He is definitely that sort.Mylute wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:54 am People said Hansen looked bad when they posted pictures of him being perturbed in his stall (they brought him in during a storm) because...his mane and tail were a bit unkempt. This was despite him looking clean and having a decent weight for his age.
https://twitter.com/korearacing/status/ ... 9816512512
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He is leading this year too. Can't link to the actual list results but its here.mahubah wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:48 pmHe led the Korean general sire list in 2020 and 2023 and was also Korean champion juvenile sire in 2023.Akitaperson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2024 1:11 pmI've heard Hansen is making a name for himself over there as a sire. Personally I love pasture photos of stallions. Just like the one of Hansen where he is no doubt a happy mud ballFlanders wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:01 am
Yeah and they are most likely people that have never been around a horse and don't realize some horses like being dirty. He is definitely that sort.
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It's true that Volponi looks old, but he is perfectly groomed, his stall is clean with deep, fresh bedding, and a pile of what looks like a grass hay in the corner. And a SKYLIGHT.
Imho, he is well-cared-for, just not an easy keeper.
Imho, he is well-cared-for, just not an easy keeper.
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Interesting to note, though, that Enforceable has won a Group 2 and placed in a Group 2 and another stakes since returning to training in Peru.Nenikikamen23 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:21 pmUnfortunate that both Tap It To Win and Enforceable are infertile, quite liked the both of themMylute wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 3:42 pm Tap It To Win (Tapit) was found to be infertile and has returned to training in Argentina where he had retired to stud last year. He is entered next week at the San Isidro Hippodrome.
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Bonus, Into Mischief.
Umm but what if I don't want the bonus?
His legs are absolutely disgusting and horrifying. I think they get worse everytime I see a pic of him.
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If I had to see it, so do y'all.
It terrifies me that people inspect him, see these images left and right, and still send mares to him.
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When the first Storm Cat yearlings went to auction, people didn't want them because they had such bad front legs. Then they started running holes in the wind and everyone began to forgive the legs since they clearly didn't hinder performance.
You ask why people still send mares to him. I guess 163 stakes winners (10% from foals, so not just a function of large crops) will convince people that he can sire runners! Given a choice, most people will choose successful runners with crooked legs over slow horses with perfect legs.
Umm but what if I don't want the bonus?
His legs are absolutely disgusting and horrifying. I think they get worse everytime I see a pic of him.
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If I had to see it, so do y'all.
It terrifies me that people inspect him, see these images left and right, and still send mares to him.
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When the first Storm Cat yearlings went to auction, people didn't want them because they had such bad front legs. Then they started running holes in the wind and everyone began to forgive the legs since they clearly didn't hinder performance.
You ask why people still send mares to him. I guess 163 stakes winners (10% from foals, so not just a function of large crops) will convince people that he can sire runners! Given a choice, most people will choose successful runners with crooked legs over slow horses with perfect legs.
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Hopkins to Lovacres Ranch for $5,000
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