2024 Fees

[Mylute]

Karakontie's Stud Fee Rises to $15,000 at Gainesway
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... -gainesway

Kinda surprised they chose to raise his fee. I mean I would consider him a successful sire thus far in his career.

[Flanders]

WinStar Farm's Roster and 2024 Stud Fees

Always Dreaming - TBA ($10,000)
Audible - TBA ($25,000)
Constitution - $110,000 (same)
Country Grammer - $10,000 (NEW)
Global Campaign - $12,500 ($10,000)
Good Samaritan - $5,000 ($7,500)
Improbable - $15,000 ($25,000)
Independence Hall - $10,000 (same)
Life Is Good - $85,000 ($100,000)
Nashville - $15,000 (same)
Outwork - $10,000 (same)
Paynter - $5,000 ($7,500)
Promises Fulfilled - $5,000 (same)
Speightstown - $80,000 (same)
Take Charge Indy - $10,000 (same)
Tom's d'Etat - $7,500 ($10,000)
Two Phil's - $12,500 (NEW)
Yoshida - $7,500 ($10,000)

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... 024-roster

The fee for top 10 freshman sire Audible and top 12 second-crop sire Always Dreaming will be announced at a later date based on results in the coming month.

If they think they can raise Always Dreaming's fee based on Saudi Crown, they need to put the crackpipe down. He hasn't sired any other stakes horses in 2023. Also strange that they raised Global Campaign back to 12.5k going into his 4th year at stud, he had stood for that fee in 2021 & 2022. All 2023 stallions are still on the roster (at this point). Last year they had announced Tourist as a TBD for 2023 and he was sold about a month later.

I didn't see an announcement, just saw they had fees on the Winstar site.

Always Dreaming - $5,000 ($10,000)
Audible - $15,000 ($25,000)

[tachyon]

Karakontie's Stud Fee Rises to $15,000 at Gainesway
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... -gainesway

Kinda surprised they chose to raise his fee. I mean I would consider him a successful sire thus far in his career.

That's wonderful news for Karakontie(JPN)!!
I hope that some of his babies will be introduced to Japan in the future, too.

[Flanders]

I thought it'd be interesting to look at the stallions standing for 100k+ in the US and Europe for 2024 by sire line. I don't think I missed anyone but its possible, the EU ones weren't the easiest. 4 sirelines represented in the US and only 2 in the EU. I didn't want to make it super messy, so its stallion line, that stallion's son(s) and then their descendants. I did note beside stallion son(s) if they had more than 1 son represented.

Caro:(1 through 1 son)
Siberian Express:
----Uncle Mo - $150,000

Mr. Prospector:(7 through 4 sons)
Fappiano:
---- Gun Runner - $250,000

Gone West: (2 sons)
----Quality Road - $200,000
----Wootton Basset - €200,000

Seeking The Gold:
----Dubawi - £350,000
----Night of Thunder - €100,000

Smart Strike:
---- Curlin - $250,000
---- Good Magic - $125,000

Northern Dancer:(10 through 4 sons)
Danzig: (2 sons)
----Sea The Stars - €200,000
----Kingman - £125,000
----War Front - $100,000

Nureyev:
----Siyouni - €200,000

Sadler's Wells:
----Frankel - £350,000

Storm Cat: (3 sons)
----Into Mischief - $250,000
----Justify - $200,000 (now private)
----Lope De Vega - €125,000
----No Nay Never - - €150,000
----Not This Time - $150,000


Seattle Slew: (3 through 1 son)
A.P. Indy:
----Constitution - $110,000
----Flightline - $150,000
----Tapit - $185,000

[Julky]

I thought it'd be interesting to look at the stallions standing for 100k+ in the US and Europe for 2024 by sire line. I don't think I missed anyone but its possible, the EU ones weren't the easiest. 4 sirelines represented in the US and only 2 in the EU. I didn't want to make it super messy, so its stallion line, that stallion's son(s) and then their descendants. I did note beside stallion son(s) if they had more than 1 son represented.

Caro:(1 through 1 son)
Siberian Express:
----Uncle Mo - $150,000

Mr. Prospector:(7 through 4 sons)
Fappiano:
---- Gun Runner - $250,000

Gone West: (2 sons)
----Quality Road - $200,000
----Wootton Basset - €200,000

Seeking The Gold:
----Dubawi - £350,000
----Night of Thunder - €100,000

Smart Strike:
---- Curlin - $250,000
---- Good Magic - $125,000

Northern Dancer:(10 through 4 sons)
Danzig: (2 sons)
----Sea The Stars - €200,000
----Kingman - £125,000
----War Front - $100,000

Nureyev:
----Siyouni - €200,000

Sadler's Wells:
----Frankel - £350,000

Storm Cat: (3 sons)
----Into Mischief - $250,000
----Justify - $200,000 (now private)
----Lope De Vega - €125,000
----No Nay Never - - €150,000
----Not This Time - $150,000


Seattle Slew: (3 through 1 son)
A.P. Indy:
----Constitution - $110,000
----Flightline - $150,000
----Tapit - $185,000

What about in Japan and Australia? Any other sire lines fetching that kind of price?

[Flanders]

What about in Japan and Australia? Any other sire lines fetching that kind of price?

I didn't do them cause Australia and New Zealand also use dollars, the $ sign and the conversion rate is really different. So because they use $ I didn't feel like I could put them on the same list. Every horse on the above list is 100k+ USD. If I do Australia and New Zealand stallions that have local stud fees of 100k+, they aren't 100k+ USD(as all the above are). Its sooooo Danehill in Australia, only 3 aren't from his line, but he wasn't represented yet. New Zealand and Japan's only had 1 representative each but are both from the Turn-To line. I thought that was going back one generation too many, so Hail To Reason and Sir Gaylord both get on the list.

Japan I don't know if they even announced their 2024 fees or where to find them, I can only find 2023 fees but they only had one in 2023 that was over 100k USD.

All fees are 2023 on this list. 100k AUD = 65k USD; 100k NZD = 60k USD; ~¥14,950,000 = 100k USD

Hail To Reason:(3 through 2 sons)
Halo:
----Contrail - ¥15,000,000 (Japan)
----Suave Richard - ¥20,000,000 (Japan)

Roberto:
----Epiphaneia - ¥15,000,000 (Japan)

Mr. Prospector:(1 through 1 son, new)
Machiavellian:
----Anamoe - $121,000 (Australia)

Northern Dancer:(6 through 2 sons, 1 new)
Danzig:(2 sons, 1 new)
----Exceed and Excel - $132,000 (Australia)
----Extreme Choice - $275,000 (Australia)
----Fastnet Rock - $110,000 (Australia)
----I Am Invincible - $302,500 (Australia)
----Snitzel - $247,500 (Australia)

Fairy King:(1 through 1 son)
----Zoustar - $220,000 (Australia)

Sir Gaylord:(1 through 1 son)
Sir Ivor:
Savabeel - $100,000 (New Zealand)

Edit: Japanese stud fees are now 2024 and there are 3 stallions. With 2 new additions from the Hail To Reason line through Halo.

[Starine]

Thanks, Flanders. That's interesting to look at.

[tachyon]

Shadai Stallion Station has announced stud fees for 2024 today!

Kitasan Black(JPN)(Black Tide)(20,000,000) becomes the most expensive stallion at Shadai for 2024, followed by Epiphaneia(JPN)(15,000,000), Contrail(JPN)(15,000,000), Suave Richard(JPN)(15,000,000), Lord Kanaloa(JPN)(12,000,000) and Kizuna(JPN)(12,000,000).
No surprise for Kitasan Black.
The biggest surprise could be Suave Richard who stood only for 2,000,000 in 2023.


Sire Name (Sire of Sire) : stud fee 2024 in JPY --- (stud fee 2023 in JPY)

Admire Mars(JPN) (Daiwa Major) : 2,500,000 (2,500,000)
Bricks and Mortar(USA) (Giant's Causeway) : 6,000,000 (6,000,000)
Chrysoberyl(JPN) (Gold Allure) : 3,000,000 (3,000,000)
Contrail(JPN) (Deep Impact) : 15,000,000 (12,000,000)
Danon Kingly(JPN) (Deep Impact) : 1,500,000 (2,000,000)
Drefong(USA) (Gio Ponti) : 6,000,000 (7,000,000)
Efforia(JPN) (Epiphaneia) : 4,000,000 (3,000,000)
Epiphaneia(JPN) (Symboli Kris S) : 15,000,000 (18,000,000)
Harbinger(GB) (Dansili) : private (3,500,000)
Hot Rod Charlie(USA) (Oxbow) : 1,500,000 (2,000,000)
Isla Bonita(JPN) (Fuji Kiseki) : 2,000,000 (1,500,000)
Kitasan Black(JPN) (Black Tide) : 20,000,000 (10,000,000)
Kizuna(JPN) (Deep Impact) : 12,000,000 (12,000,000)
Le Vent Se Leve(JPN) (Symboli Kris S) : 3,000,000 (3,000,000)
Lord Kanaloa(JPN) (King Kamehameha) : 12,000,000 (12,000,000)
Maurice(JPN) (Screen Hero) : 8,000,000 (8,000,000)
*Mikki Isle(JPN) (Deep Impact) : 1,500,000 (2,500,000)
Mind Your Biscuits(USA) (Posse) : 3,000,000 (4,000,000)
Nadal(USA) (Blame) : 3,000,000 (3,500,000)
New Year's Day(USA) (Street Cry) : 2,000,000 (2,500,000)
Orfevre(JPN) (Stay Gold) : 3,500,000 (3,500,000)
Poetic Flare(IRE) (Dawn Approach) : private (5,000,000)
*Real Steel(JPN) (Deep Impact) : 3,000,000 (3,000,000)
Rey de Oro(JPN) (King Kamehameha) : 5,000,000 (7,000,000)
Rulership(JPN) (King Kamehameha) : 3,500,000 (3,500,000)
Salios(JPN) (Heart's Cry) : 2,000,000 (1,500,000)
Satono Crown(JPN) (Marju) : 2,000,000 (1,500,000)
*Satono Diamond(JPN) (Deep Impact) : 1,500,000 (2,500,000)
Saturnalia(JPN) (Lord Kanaloa) : 8,000,000 (8,000,000)
Siskin(USA) (First Defence) : 2,000,000 (2,500,000)
Suave Richard(JPN) (Heart's Cry) : 15,000,000 (2,000,000)


*Mikki Isle relocated to Yushun Stallion Station
*Real Steel relocated to Breeders Stallion Station
*Satono Diamond relocated to Breeders Stallion Station

[tachyon]

-- Kitasan Black's stud fee history
(He entered stud in 2018)

2024 Fee：20,000,000
2023 Fee：10,000,000
2022 Fee：5,000,000
2021 Fee：3,000,000
2020 Fee：4,000,000
2019 Fee：4,000,000
2018 Fee：5,000,000


-- Suave Richard's stud fee history
(He entered stud in 2020)

2024 Fee：15,000,000
2023 Fee：2,000,000
2022 Fee：2,000,000
2021 Fee：2,000,000
2020 Fee：2,000,000

[Palace Malice]

Orfevre(JPN) (Stay Gold) : 3,500,000 (3,500,000)

That's a steal!

[Northport]

Poetic Flare private already?

[Justahorse]

Poetic Flare private already?

Is that good or bad?

[Flanders]

Poetic Flare private already?

His mares bred had dropped off a lot in his 2nd year, though he wasn't that popular in his first year either.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8738&p=287865&hilit ... re#p287865

Probably best to go Private Fee and work with breeders than have to slash his stud fee for everyone to see.

[Palace Malice]

Poetic Flare private already?

His mares bred had dropped off a lot in his 2nd year, though he wasn't that popular in his first year either.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8738&p=287865&hilit ... re#p287865

Probably best to go Private Fee and work with breeders than have to slash his stud fee for everyone to see.

He has fertility issues.

[brunanas]

Poetic Flare private already?

His mares bred had dropped off a lot in his 2nd year, though he wasn't that popular in his first year either.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8738&p=287865&hilit ... re#p287865

Probably best to go Private Fee and work with breeders than have to slash his stud fee for everyone to see.

He has fertility issues.

where did you hear that?

[tachyon]

His mares bred had dropped off a lot in his 2nd year, though he wasn't that popular in his first year either.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8738&p=287865&hilit ... re#p287865

Probably best to go Private Fee and work with breeders than have to slash his stud fee for everyone to see.

He has fertility issues.

where did you hear that?

I would confirm that Poetic Flare had fertility issues in his debut year at stud for the 2022/2023 season.
I've just looked into his covering records in 2022 and his mares' producing records in 2023.
He covered 108 mares in 2022.
His ''live foal rate'' (live foals / number of mares covered) was less than 40%.

[brunanas]

He has fertility issues.

where did you hear that?

I would confirm that Poetic Flare had fertility issues in his debut year at stud for the 2022/2023 season.
I've just looked into his covering records in 2022 and his mares' producing records in 2023.
He covered 108 mares in 2022.
His ''live foal rate'' (live foals / number of mares covered) was less than 40%.

aw damn it... i had checked Jbis but it still didn't have the number of foals. is that from the studbook?

[Northport]

Bummer. They havent had great luck with their Irish miler purchases the last couple years. Siskin’s books have been surprisingly small for a new stallion, though I know he had a setback his first season there. But his numbers have still been in the double digits since then.

[tachyon]

where did you hear that?

I would confirm that Poetic Flare had fertility issues in his debut year at stud for the 2022/2023 season.
I've just looked into his covering records in 2022 and his mares' producing records in 2023.
He covered 108 mares in 2022.
His ''live foal rate'' (live foals / number of mares covered) was less than 40%.

aw damn it... i had checked Jbis but it still didn't have the number of foals. is that from the studbook?

Yes. It's from Japanese Studbook (Japanese version).

[stelladaniella]

Mage - $25,000