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CoronadosQuest wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:13 pm
sweettalk wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:50 pm
CoronadosQuest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 4:01 pm $1.35 Mil for Rachel's full brother
not inexpensive for any of us, but i expected him to go for more, esp considering cavorting's colt went for $5m. maybe to do w lotta kim's produce record overall? i'm not especially familiar w her foals.
5 of her foals earned over $100k. Samantha Nicole (full) was SP, Dolphus (Lookin At Lucky) GSP, Gladys (full) was GSP, Wooderson (Awesome Again) was SP, and Rachel is Rachel of course
I think we are both having Mandella effect cause I thought she was too but she isn't, cause I looked the other day. :lol: She is the dam of a SW in Fairchild.
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KatieK101 wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:40 pm This ended up being the top 10 from Session 3:

674 - c - Tapit x Verve's Tale - sold for $1,050,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent, SF/Starlight Racing.
695 - f - Gun Runner x Always Carina - sold for $1,050,000 to Douglas Scharbauer.
-- dam is half to Structor.
509 - c - Charlatan x Midnight Lucky - sold for $1,000,000 to Pin Oak Stud.
644 - c - McKinzie x Take Charge Angel - sold for $950,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent, SF/Starlight Racing.
-- dam is half to Cave Rock.
571 - c - Yaupon x Q Go Girl - sold for $900,000 to Monique Delk, Agent.
454 - c - Charlatan x Inventive - sold for $800,000 to Alex and JoAnn Lieblong.
-- half to Kilmt.
468 - c - Uncle Mo x Key To My Heart - sold for $800,000 to Mike Ryan, Agent.
-- 2nd dam is AZ Warrior.
614 - c - Maxfield x Sophia's Song - sold for $800,000 to Repole.
-- half to Bright Future.
464 - f - Into Mischief x Justa Lady - sold for $775,000 to Winchell Thoroughbreds.
634 - c - Uncle Mo x Sundaysatthebeach - sold for $775,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent, SF/Starlight Racing.
-- 2nd dam is Ask The Moon.
Is it just me (cos it definitely could be) but wowzers if I'm spending a million dollars I hope that's a reeeally awkward photo angle and not the actual structure/conformation of the forelegs...??? :shock:

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Was she crossing over or something...?? :?
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lurkey mclurker wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 9:09 pm
KatieK101 wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:40 pm This ended up being the top 10 from Session 3:

674 - c - Tapit x Verve's Tale - sold for $1,050,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent, SF/Starlight Racing.
695 - f - Gun Runner x Always Carina - sold for $1,050,000 to Douglas Scharbauer.
-- dam is half to Structor.
509 - c - Charlatan x Midnight Lucky - sold for $1,000,000 to Pin Oak Stud.
644 - c - McKinzie x Take Charge Angel - sold for $950,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent, SF/Starlight Racing.
-- dam is half to Cave Rock.
571 - c - Yaupon x Q Go Girl - sold for $900,000 to Monique Delk, Agent.
454 - c - Charlatan x Inventive - sold for $800,000 to Alex and JoAnn Lieblong.
-- half to Kilmt.
468 - c - Uncle Mo x Key To My Heart - sold for $800,000 to Mike Ryan, Agent.
-- 2nd dam is AZ Warrior.
614 - c - Maxfield x Sophia's Song - sold for $800,000 to Repole.
-- half to Bright Future.
464 - f - Into Mischief x Justa Lady - sold for $775,000 to Winchell Thoroughbreds.
634 - c - Uncle Mo x Sundaysatthebeach - sold for $775,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent, SF/Starlight Racing.
-- 2nd dam is Ask The Moon.
Is it just me (cos it definitely could be) but wowzers if I'm spending a million dollars I hope that's a reeeally awkward photo angle and not the actual structure/conformation of the forelegs...??? :shock:

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Was she crossing over or something...?? :?
Her leg doesn't look like that in the catalog. So I guess she was just standing weird.
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CoronadosQuest wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:13 pm
sweettalk wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:50 pm
CoronadosQuest wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 4:01 pm $1.35 Mil for Rachel's full brother
not inexpensive for any of us, but i expected him to go for more, esp considering cavorting's colt went for $5m. maybe to do w lotta kim's produce record overall? i'm not especially familiar w her foals.
5 of her foals earned over $100k. Samantha Nicole (full) was SP, Dolphus (Lookin At Lucky) GSP, Gladys (full) was GSP, Wooderson (Awesome Again) was SP, and Rachel is Rachel of course
hm, not bad. guess the price is fair then, this is why i'm not a buyer lol. bit too impulsive and easily sold.
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sold for $375,000. not beautiful but given she's o/o a recent 2yo champion it kinda tells me there's something wrong with her vet wise...?
i like plushies. a lot.
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Top 11 from Session 4 (several sold for $750k and it seemed unfair to leave one of them out):

984 - c - Nyquist x Spa Treatment - sold for $1,300,000 to CHC Inc, Maverick Racing.
1114 - c - Nyquist x Candy Swap - sold for $1,200,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- dam is full to Sidney's Candy, Sweet Swap.
875 - c - Curlin x Lady Kate - sold for $850,000 to Jones/Everett/ Reeves, etc.
1067 - c - Not This Time x Allusion - sold for $825,000 to Belladonna Racing, Cherie DeVaux, etc.
-- dam is half to Far From Over.
898 - c - Into Mischief x Mighty Road - sold for $825,000 to Windancer Farm Holdings.
-- dam is half to Decelerator, family of City of Light.
994 - c - Charlatan x Street Mate - sold for $775,000 to Repole, Spendthrift Farm.
-- half to Bell's the One, King Cause.
1121 - f - Curlin x Chatham - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent for Michael Lund Petersen.
-- half to Air Force Blue.
865 - f - Gun Runner x Kallio - sold for $750,000 to MV Magnier, White Birch Farm.
871 - c - Justify x Kram - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent. SF/Starlight Racing.
818 - c - Gun Runner x Giant Mover - sold for $750,000 to Mike Ryan, Agent.
-- half to Liora, Family Tree.
829 - f - Authentic x Hallawallah - sold for $750,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- 2nd dam is Maryfield.

Been a sneaky good sale for Nyquist. Those are his top two most expensive yearlings ever sold at auction, and his third most expensive was sold in session 1.

Charlatan's prices continue to surprise me for no reason.
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KatieK101 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:14 pm Top 11 from Session 4 (several sold for $750k and it seemed unfair to leave one of them out):

984 - c - Nyquist x Spa Treatment - sold for $1,300,000 to CHC Inc, Maverick Racing.
1114 - c - Nyquist x Candy Swap - sold for $1,200,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- dam is full to Sidney's Candy, Sweet Swap.
875 - c - Curlin x Lady Kate - sold for $850,000 to Jones/Everett/ Reeves, etc.
1067 - c - Not This Time x Allusion - sold for $825,000 to Belladonna Racing, Cherie DeVaux, etc.
-- dam is half to Far From Over.
898 - c - Into Mischief x Mighty Road - sold for $825,000 to Windancer Farm Holdings.
-- dam is half to Decelerator, family of City of Light.
994 - c - Charlatan x Street Mate - sold for $775,000 to Repole, Spendthrift Farm.
-- half to Bell's the One, King Cause.
1121 - f - Curlin x Chatham - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent for Michael Lund Petersen.
-- half to Air Force Blue.
865 - f - Gun Runner x Kallio - sold for $750,000 to MV Magnier, White Birch Farm.
871 - c - Justify x Kram - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent. SF/Starlight Racing.
818 - c - Gun Runner x Giant Mover - sold for $750,000 to Mike Ryan, Agent.
-- half to Liora, Family Tree.
829 - f - Authentic x Hallawallah - sold for $750,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- 2nd dam is Maryfield.

Been a sneaky good sale for Nyquist. Those are his top two most expensive yearlings ever sold at auction, and his third most expensive was sold in session 1.

Charlatan's prices continue to surprise me for no reason.
I’m surprised that an Authentic got such a high bid when he’s had 5 winners in 45/46 starters. Most other sires, and they’d suffer in the ring

I was also shocked that a Yaupon made it into an early book - and also sold for $900,000

How do they decide what first crop sires make it into an early book?
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Slewfan2 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:41 pm
KatieK101 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:14 pm Top 11 from Session 4 (several sold for $750k and it seemed unfair to leave one of them out):

984 - c - Nyquist x Spa Treatment - sold for $1,300,000 to CHC Inc, Maverick Racing.
1114 - c - Nyquist x Candy Swap - sold for $1,200,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- dam is full to Sidney's Candy, Sweet Swap.
875 - c - Curlin x Lady Kate - sold for $850,000 to Jones/Everett/ Reeves, etc.
1067 - c - Not This Time x Allusion - sold for $825,000 to Belladonna Racing, Cherie DeVaux, etc.
-- dam is half to Far From Over.
898 - c - Into Mischief x Mighty Road - sold for $825,000 to Windancer Farm Holdings.
-- dam is half to Decelerator, family of City of Light.
994 - c - Charlatan x Street Mate - sold for $775,000 to Repole, Spendthrift Farm.
-- half to Bell's the One, King Cause.
1121 - f - Curlin x Chatham - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent for Michael Lund Petersen.
-- half to Air Force Blue.
865 - f - Gun Runner x Kallio - sold for $750,000 to MV Magnier, White Birch Farm.
871 - c - Justify x Kram - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent. SF/Starlight Racing.
818 - c - Gun Runner x Giant Mover - sold for $750,000 to Mike Ryan, Agent.
-- half to Liora, Family Tree.
829 - f - Authentic x Hallawallah - sold for $750,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- 2nd dam is Maryfield.

Been a sneaky good sale for Nyquist. Those are his top two most expensive yearlings ever sold at auction, and his third most expensive was sold in session 1.

Charlatan's prices continue to surprise me for no reason.
I’m surprised that an Authentic got such a high bid when he’s had 5 winners in 45/46 starters. Most other sires, and they’d suffer in the ring

I was also shocked that a Yaupon made it into an early book - and also sold for $900,000

How do they decide what first crop sires make it into an early book?
He actually got three in book one. From what I understand first crop sires would be based on pedigree and conformation rather than a sire's offspring considering they don't have any to go off of. I've been surprised by some of the mares Yaupon got in his first few seasons at stud.

Of his three entered in book one, hip 219 has a very nice family and is a half-sister to two GSWs; hip 303 is half to GSW Best Actor and her 2nd dam is G1W Spun Sugar; hip 358 is a half-sister to G1W Brightwork, and her dam is a full-sister to Catch The Moon, thus putting Girvin, Midnight Bourbon, etc all underneath her 2nd dam.

Hip 571, the $900k colt, is actually in book 2. Doesn't have as much pedigree as the book 1 offerings, although his 3rd dam is G1W Flat Fleet Feet. I haven't had a good look at him but I assume his conformation must be very nice.
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Hip 3051 got a very timely update; full brother to recent G1 Del Mar Futurity winner, Gaming.

Gaming sold for $40k at Keeneland September last year. I imagine his brother will sell for a little more than that ;)

In similiar news, the half-brother to the Del Mar Debutante winner, Tenma, RNA'd for $325k yesterday.
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KatieK101 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:00 pm
Slewfan2 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:41 pm
KatieK101 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:14 pm Top 11 from Session 4 (several sold for $750k and it seemed unfair to leave one of them out):

984 - c - Nyquist x Spa Treatment - sold for $1,300,000 to CHC Inc, Maverick Racing.
1114 - c - Nyquist x Candy Swap - sold for $1,200,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- dam is full to Sidney's Candy, Sweet Swap.
875 - c - Curlin x Lady Kate - sold for $850,000 to Jones/Everett/ Reeves, etc.
1067 - c - Not This Time x Allusion - sold for $825,000 to Belladonna Racing, Cherie DeVaux, etc.
-- dam is half to Far From Over.
898 - c - Into Mischief x Mighty Road - sold for $825,000 to Windancer Farm Holdings.
-- dam is half to Decelerator, family of City of Light.
994 - c - Charlatan x Street Mate - sold for $775,000 to Repole, Spendthrift Farm.
-- half to Bell's the One, King Cause.
1121 - f - Curlin x Chatham - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent for Michael Lund Petersen.
-- half to Air Force Blue.
865 - f - Gun Runner x Kallio - sold for $750,000 to MV Magnier, White Birch Farm.
871 - c - Justify x Kram - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent. SF/Starlight Racing.
818 - c - Gun Runner x Giant Mover - sold for $750,000 to Mike Ryan, Agent.
-- half to Liora, Family Tree.
829 - f - Authentic x Hallawallah - sold for $750,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- 2nd dam is Maryfield.

Been a sneaky good sale for Nyquist. Those are his top two most expensive yearlings ever sold at auction, and his third most expensive was sold in session 1.

Charlatan's prices continue to surprise me for no reason.
I’m surprised that an Authentic got such a high bid when he’s had 5 winners in 45/46 starters. Most other sires, and they’d suffer in the ring

I was also shocked that a Yaupon made it into an early book - and also sold for $900,000

How do they decide what first crop sires make it into an early book?
He actually got three in book one. From what I understand first crop sires would be based on pedigree and confirmation rather than a sire's offspring considering they don't have any to go off of. I've been surprised by some of the mares Yaupon got in his first few seasons at stud.

Of his three entered in book one, hip 219 has a very nice family and is a half-sister to two GSWs; hip 303 is half to GSW Best Actor and her 2nd dam is G1W Spun Sugar; hip 358 is a half-sister to G1W Brightwork, and her dam is a half-sister to Catch The Moon, thus putting Girvin, Midnight Bourbon, etc all underneath her 2nd dam.

Hip 571, the $900k colt, is actually in book 2. Doesn't have as much pedigree as the book 1 offerings, although his 3rd dam is G1W Flat Fleet Feet. I haven't had a good look at him but I assume his confirmation must be very nice.
Thank you! Yeah, those are very nice pedigrees. I guess his being by Mo doesn’t hurt, lol
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Flanders wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:24 pm
CoronadosQuest wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:13 pm
sweettalk wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:50 pm

not inexpensive for any of us, but i expected him to go for more, esp considering cavorting's colt went for $5m. maybe to do w lotta kim's produce record overall? i'm not especially familiar w her foals.
5 of her foals earned over $100k. Samantha Nicole (full) was SP, Dolphus (Lookin At Lucky) GSP, Gladys (full) was GSP, Wooderson (Awesome Again) was SP, and Rachel is Rachel of course
I think we are both having Mandella effect cause I thought she was too but she isn't, cause I looked the other day. :lol: She is the dam of a SW in Fairchild.
What really? Wow, I swear I saw her stakes placed earlier when I looked :lol:
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Slewfan2 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:41 pm
KatieK101 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:14 pm Top 11 from Session 4 (several sold for $750k and it seemed unfair to leave one of them out):

984 - c - Nyquist x Spa Treatment - sold for $1,300,000 to CHC Inc, Maverick Racing.
1114 - c - Nyquist x Candy Swap - sold for $1,200,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- dam is full to Sidney's Candy, Sweet Swap.
875 - c - Curlin x Lady Kate - sold for $850,000 to Jones/Everett/ Reeves, etc.
1067 - c - Not This Time x Allusion - sold for $825,000 to Belladonna Racing, Cherie DeVaux, etc.
-- dam is half to Far From Over.
898 - c - Into Mischief x Mighty Road - sold for $825,000 to Windancer Farm Holdings.
-- dam is half to Decelerator, family of City of Light.
994 - c - Charlatan x Street Mate - sold for $775,000 to Repole, Spendthrift Farm.
-- half to Bell's the One, King Cause.
1121 - f - Curlin x Chatham - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent for Michael Lund Petersen.
-- half to Air Force Blue.
865 - f - Gun Runner x Kallio - sold for $750,000 to MV Magnier, White Birch Farm.
871 - c - Justify x Kram - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent. SF/Starlight Racing.
818 - c - Gun Runner x Giant Mover - sold for $750,000 to Mike Ryan, Agent.
-- half to Liora, Family Tree.
829 - f - Authentic x Hallawallah - sold for $750,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- 2nd dam is Maryfield.

Been a sneaky good sale for Nyquist. Those are his top two most expensive yearlings ever sold at auction, and his third most expensive was sold in session 1.

Charlatan's prices continue to surprise me for no reason.
I’m surprised that an Authentic got such a high bid when he’s had 5 winners in 45/46 starters. Most other sires, and they’d suffer in the ring

I was also shocked that a Yaupon made it into an early book - and also sold for $900,000

How do they decide what first crop sires make it into an early book?
I was looking at pictures of the yearlings being sold yesterday and the day before and I must say a few favorites of mine were by Yaupon. They looked very pretty and with a nice conformation so it might be that.
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Slewfan2 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:41 pm
KatieK101 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:14 pm Top 11 from Session 4 (several sold for $750k and it seemed unfair to leave one of them out):

984 - c - Nyquist x Spa Treatment - sold for $1,300,000 to CHC Inc, Maverick Racing.
1114 - c - Nyquist x Candy Swap - sold for $1,200,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- dam is full to Sidney's Candy, Sweet Swap.
875 - c - Curlin x Lady Kate - sold for $850,000 to Jones/Everett/ Reeves, etc.
1067 - c - Not This Time x Allusion - sold for $825,000 to Belladonna Racing, Cherie DeVaux, etc.
-- dam is half to Far From Over.
898 - c - Into Mischief x Mighty Road - sold for $825,000 to Windancer Farm Holdings.
-- dam is half to Decelerator, family of City of Light.
994 - c - Charlatan x Street Mate - sold for $775,000 to Repole, Spendthrift Farm.
-- half to Bell's the One, King Cause.
1121 - f - Curlin x Chatham - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent for Michael Lund Petersen.
-- half to Air Force Blue.
865 - f - Gun Runner x Kallio - sold for $750,000 to MV Magnier, White Birch Farm.
871 - c - Justify x Kram - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent. SF/Starlight Racing.
818 - c - Gun Runner x Giant Mover - sold for $750,000 to Mike Ryan, Agent.
-- half to Liora, Family Tree.
829 - f - Authentic x Hallawallah - sold for $750,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- 2nd dam is Maryfield.

Been a sneaky good sale for Nyquist. Those are his top two most expensive yearlings ever sold at auction, and his third most expensive was sold in session 1.

Charlatan's prices continue to surprise me for no reason.
I’m surprised that an Authentic got such a high bid when he’s had 5 winners in 45/46 starters. Most other sires, and they’d suffer in the ring

I was also shocked that a Yaupon made it into an early book - and also sold for $900,000

How do they decide what first crop sires make it into an early book?
They send out inspectors to look at every yearling entered in the sale, they rate them according to how they look. Consignors can try and asked to get moved to a different book. Sometimes it can work, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes its better to be the best in a later book than just an average in an early book. Or to try and get a horse they know is improving into an earlier book as opposed to a later. ofc they can't ask for all their horses to be moved so they have to be picky about what they ask. They also usually put the best rated of the first crop into the first 2 books along with the best of the big commercial established. I wish I remembered where I read an article about it. It might have been in a print version ages ago or could have been 10 years ago on the internet.
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Palace Malice wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 5:40 pm
Slewfan2 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:41 pm
KatieK101 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:14 pm Top 11 from Session 4 (several sold for $750k and it seemed unfair to leave one of them out):

984 - c - Nyquist x Spa Treatment - sold for $1,300,000 to CHC Inc, Maverick Racing.
1114 - c - Nyquist x Candy Swap - sold for $1,200,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- dam is full to Sidney's Candy, Sweet Swap.
875 - c - Curlin x Lady Kate - sold for $850,000 to Jones/Everett/ Reeves, etc.
1067 - c - Not This Time x Allusion - sold for $825,000 to Belladonna Racing, Cherie DeVaux, etc.
-- dam is half to Far From Over.
898 - c - Into Mischief x Mighty Road - sold for $825,000 to Windancer Farm Holdings.
-- dam is half to Decelerator, family of City of Light.
994 - c - Charlatan x Street Mate - sold for $775,000 to Repole, Spendthrift Farm.
-- half to Bell's the One, King Cause.
1121 - f - Curlin x Chatham - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent for Michael Lund Petersen.
-- half to Air Force Blue.
865 - f - Gun Runner x Kallio - sold for $750,000 to MV Magnier, White Birch Farm.
871 - c - Justify x Kram - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent. SF/Starlight Racing.
818 - c - Gun Runner x Giant Mover - sold for $750,000 to Mike Ryan, Agent.
-- half to Liora, Family Tree.
829 - f - Authentic x Hallawallah - sold for $750,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- 2nd dam is Maryfield.

Been a sneaky good sale for Nyquist. Those are his top two most expensive yearlings ever sold at auction, and his third most expensive was sold in session 1.

Charlatan's prices continue to surprise me for no reason.
I’m surprised that an Authentic got such a high bid when he’s had 5 winners in 45/46 starters. Most other sires, and they’d suffer in the ring

I was also shocked that a Yaupon made it into an early book - and also sold for $900,000

How do they decide what first crop sires make it into an early book?
I was looking at pictures of the yearlings being sold yesterday and the day before and I must say a few favorites of mine were by Yaupon. They looked very pretty and with a nice conformation so it might be that.
Makes sense - they must be precocious looking athletes
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Flanders wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 5:54 pm
Slewfan2 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:41 pm
KatieK101 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:14 pm Top 11 from Session 4 (several sold for $750k and it seemed unfair to leave one of them out):

984 - c - Nyquist x Spa Treatment - sold for $1,300,000 to CHC Inc, Maverick Racing.
1114 - c - Nyquist x Candy Swap - sold for $1,200,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- dam is full to Sidney's Candy, Sweet Swap.
875 - c - Curlin x Lady Kate - sold for $850,000 to Jones/Everett/ Reeves, etc.
1067 - c - Not This Time x Allusion - sold for $825,000 to Belladonna Racing, Cherie DeVaux, etc.
-- dam is half to Far From Over.
898 - c - Into Mischief x Mighty Road - sold for $825,000 to Windancer Farm Holdings.
-- dam is half to Decelerator, family of City of Light.
994 - c - Charlatan x Street Mate - sold for $775,000 to Repole, Spendthrift Farm.
-- half to Bell's the One, King Cause.
1121 - f - Curlin x Chatham - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent for Michael Lund Petersen.
-- half to Air Force Blue.
865 - f - Gun Runner x Kallio - sold for $750,000 to MV Magnier, White Birch Farm.
871 - c - Justify x Kram - sold for $750,000 to Donato Lanni, Agent. SF/Starlight Racing.
818 - c - Gun Runner x Giant Mover - sold for $750,000 to Mike Ryan, Agent.
-- half to Liora, Family Tree.
829 - f - Authentic x Hallawallah - sold for $750,000 to Resolute Bloodstock.
-- 2nd dam is Maryfield.

Been a sneaky good sale for Nyquist. Those are his top two most expensive yearlings ever sold at auction, and his third most expensive was sold in session 1.

Charlatan's prices continue to surprise me for no reason.
I’m surprised that an Authentic got such a high bid when he’s had 5 winners in 45/46 starters. Most other sires, and they’d suffer in the ring

I was also shocked that a Yaupon made it into an early book - and also sold for $900,000

How do they decide what first crop sires make it into an early book?
They send out inspectors to look at every yearling entered in the sale, they rate them according to how they look. Consignors can try and asked to get moved to a different book. Sometimes it can work, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes its better to be the best in a later book than just an average in an early book. Or to try and get a horse they know is improving into an earlier book as opposed to a later. ofc they can't ask for all their horses to be moved so they have to be picky about what they ask. They also usually put the best rated of the first crop into the first 2 books along with the best of the big commercial established. I wish I remembered where I read an article about it. It might have been in a print version ages ago or could have been 10 years ago on the internet.
That’s so interesting, thank you!

Do you think there’s something to buyer’s fatigue? That by the time the sale is nearly over, even if horses look good, they’re not going to bring high prices ? Of course it might just be that the individuals aren’t as good as the earlier ones
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Slewfan2 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:21 pm
Flanders wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 5:54 pm
Slewfan2 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:41 pm

I’m surprised that an Authentic got such a high bid when he’s had 5 winners in 45/46 starters. Most other sires, and they’d suffer in the ring

I was also shocked that a Yaupon made it into an early book - and also sold for $900,000

How do they decide what first crop sires make it into an early book?
They send out inspectors to look at every yearling entered in the sale, they rate them according to how they look. Consignors can try and asked to get moved to a different book. Sometimes it can work, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes its better to be the best in a later book than just an average in an early book. Or to try and get a horse they know is improving into an earlier book as opposed to a later. ofc they can't ask for all their horses to be moved so they have to be picky about what they ask. They also usually put the best rated of the first crop into the first 2 books along with the best of the big commercial established. I wish I remembered where I read an article about it. It might have been in a print version ages ago or could have been 10 years ago on the internet.
That’s so interesting, thank you!

Do you think there’s something to buyer’s fatigue? That by the time the sale is nearly over, even if horses look good, they’re not going to bring high prices ? Of course it might just be that the individuals aren’t as good as the earlier ones
Different buyers buy in different books but sometimes they stick around if they know there is a horse they like that is later. Last year a horse in like session 8 sold for almost a million so its possible for high prices to come out of later sessions.
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Flanders wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:31 pm
Slewfan2 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:21 pm
Flanders wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 5:54 pm

They send out inspectors to look at every yearling entered in the sale, they rate them according to how they look. Consignors can try and asked to get moved to a different book. Sometimes it can work, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes its better to be the best in a later book than just an average in an early book. Or to try and get a horse they know is improving into an earlier book as opposed to a later. ofc they can't ask for all their horses to be moved so they have to be picky about what they ask. They also usually put the best rated of the first crop into the first 2 books along with the best of the big commercial established. I wish I remembered where I read an article about it. It might have been in a print version ages ago or could have been 10 years ago on the internet.
That’s so interesting, thank you!

Do you think there’s something to buyer’s fatigue? That by the time the sale is nearly over, even if horses look good, they’re not going to bring high prices ? Of course it might just be that the individuals aren’t as good as the earlier ones
Different buyers buy in different books but sometimes they stick around if they know there is a horse they like that is later. Last year a horse in like session 8 sold for almost a million so its possible for high prices to come out of later sessions.
Thank you!
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I’m quite pleased with how Maxwell is doing. He is a quality horse and it shows in his babies. I really want him to do well.
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Slewfan2 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:21 pm
Flanders wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 5:54 pm
Slewfan2 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:41 pm

I’m surprised that an Authentic got such a high bid when he’s had 5 winners in 45/46 starters. Most other sires, and they’d suffer in the ring

I was also shocked that a Yaupon made it into an early book - and also sold for $900,000

How do they decide what first crop sires make it into an early book?
They send out inspectors to look at every yearling entered in the sale, they rate them according to how they look. Consignors can try and asked to get moved to a different book. Sometimes it can work, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes its better to be the best in a later book than just an average in an early book. Or to try and get a horse they know is improving into an earlier book as opposed to a later. ofc they can't ask for all their horses to be moved so they have to be picky about what they ask. They also usually put the best rated of the first crop into the first 2 books along with the best of the big commercial established. I wish I remembered where I read an article about it. It might have been in a print version ages ago or could have been 10 years ago on the internet.
That’s so interesting, thank you!

Do you think there’s something to buyer’s fatigue? That by the time the sale is nearly over, even if horses look good, they’re not going to bring high prices ? Of course it might just be that the individuals aren’t as good as the earlier ones
What I have learned from listening to too many podcasts is that a lot of the time, syndicates or owners that are on a budget don’t even show up for some of the earlier books. If you know your budget is $50,000-$100,000, why waste your time inspecting horses with G1 relations.

Also, with book 1 being so strong this year, a lot of people with middle-high budgets are going to be forced to push into book 2 and 3 to fill their orders. And then those with mid range budgets have to do the same into books 4, 5, etc.

Bloodstock agents have orders that need to be filled, pinhookers need to find horses to bring to OBS and Timonium.

Then you have trainers like Kenny McPeek who looks at literally every single horse himself and does not leave until the last horse has gone through the ring.

They may be physically tired, but they know that there’s still plenty of nice horses out there just waiting to be found!
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Northport wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 4:05 pm
Slewfan2 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:21 pm
Flanders wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 5:54 pm

They send out inspectors to look at every yearling entered in the sale, they rate them according to how they look. Consignors can try and asked to get moved to a different book. Sometimes it can work, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes its better to be the best in a later book than just an average in an early book. Or to try and get a horse they know is improving into an earlier book as opposed to a later. ofc they can't ask for all their horses to be moved so they have to be picky about what they ask. They also usually put the best rated of the first crop into the first 2 books along with the best of the big commercial established. I wish I remembered where I read an article about it. It might have been in a print version ages ago or could have been 10 years ago on the internet.
That’s so interesting, thank you!

Do you think there’s something to buyer’s fatigue? That by the time the sale is nearly over, even if horses look good, they’re not going to bring high prices ? Of course it might just be that the individuals aren’t as good as the earlier ones
What I have learned from listening to too many podcasts is that a lot of the time, syndicates or owners that are on a budget don’t even show up for some of the earlier books. If you know your budget is $50,000-$100,000, why waste your time inspecting horses with G1 relations.

Also, with book 1 being so strong this year, a lot of people with middle-high budgets are going to be forced to push into book 2 and 3 to fill their orders. And then those with mid range budgets have to do the same into books 4, 5, etc.

Bloodstock agents have orders that need to be filled, pinhookers need to find horses to bring to OBS and Timonium.

Then you have trainers like Kenny McPeek who looks at literally every single horse himself and does not leave until the last horse has gone through the ring.

They may be physically tired, but they know that there’s still plenty of nice horses out there just waiting to be found!
This is so interesting - thank you!

My goodness, Kenny must need a month’s vacation after looking at thousands of horses, lol
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