Saudi Cup Purse Withheld From Maximum Security

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Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:13 am

The second Max was (rightfully) disqualified, fanatics jumped aboard his bandwagon and crowned him the most perfect hero horse whose connections can do no wrong.

They doubled down when he was sent to Baffert, and they're actually trying to push that the FBI is wrong about these trainers who were known to be crooks prior to March 9, 2020.
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TapitsGal wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:04 am The maximum security fans on Facebook are going absolutely nuts. "just give them the money" "max ran clean" "I hope no more Americans ever race in Saudi Arabia"....it's like they struggle with reading comprehension and don't get what undetectable, falsified records and no American test exists to detect it means
Serious question......how do you know they're not right?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:18 am

Interesting that coolmore is also defending and siding with west. Although it makes sense if they are trying to protect damage to future stud fees
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:37 am

TapitsGal wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:18 am Interesting that coolmore is also defending and siding with west. Although it makes sense if they are trying to protect damage to future stud fees
I know the Coolmore people themselves don't commonly wander the backstretch, but I find it somewhat difficult to believe they were completely unaware of the Servis rumors/reputation.

And I don't think defending the Royal Baby is going to endear them to their Middle East-based racing giant rivals.
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:49 pm

The Prosecution team in the grandstands is reminding me of Marcia Clark.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:59 pm

stark wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:49 pm The Prosecution team in the grandstands is reminding me of Marcia Clark.
The similarity being Orenthal wasn’t innocent he was only “not guilty.”
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During a conversation with Nick Luck's daily podcast on Tuesday, HRH Prince Bandar bin Khalid Al Faisal, chairman of the Jockey Club of Saudi Arabia (JCSA), described the process by which Maximum Security would be disqualified from his Feb. 29 victory in the $20 million race.
“If the results (of the federal investigation into Jason Servis) come out where they have concrete evidence that Maximum Security received performance enhancing drugs of any kind within the previous six months of the Saudi Cup, then by the race book and our own rules in the Jockey Club of Saudi Arabia, that is an automatic disqualification of a horse,” he explained.

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/the- ... ix-months/
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Four Years Later, Saudi Officials Recommend DQ Of Maximum Security From Cup
https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/ ... y-from-cup
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Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:27 am

The MS owners have already said they won't fight losing the purse money.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... m-security
"Your horse can get beaten by 20 lengths and they still pay you? And you've been losing money all these years?"
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racefan wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:27 am The MS owners have already said they won't fight losing the purse money.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... m-security
This needs to be resolved ASAP. Dragging on for way too long.
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Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:37 pm

So has it been ascertained that Max failed the post-race test after four years?
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Curtis wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:37 pm So has it been ascertained that Max failed the post-race test after four years?
No he didn't fail a drug test. Their rules are that any horse that received PEDs for 6 months before a race, can not race in Saudi Arabia. Since its been proven that Maximum Security did receive PEDs in those previous 6 months, he gets DQd because he wasn't eligible to run in the race to begin with.
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Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:56 pm

Wasnt the drug Servis used undetected or the kind that doesnt get tested for on testings?
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flytpthestars wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:56 pm Wasnt the drug Servis used undetected or the kind that doesnt get tested for on testings?
I believe you’re right but Servis admitted to giving the drug to every horse in his barn, if memory serves. Still that happened months ago. What I was wondering is, what’s changed? If the rules are the rules then the DQ should have been administered the day after Servis’s testimony. Maybe the Saudis are trying to find a way to not give the money to connections who started their horse with a trainer that kept the clenbuterol industry solvent before moving her to Asmussen who is, well……..Asmussen.
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Curtis wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:28 pm
flytpthestars wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:56 pm Wasnt the drug Servis used undetected or the kind that doesnt get tested for on testings?
I believe you’re right but Servis admitted to giving the drug to every horse in his barn, if memory serves. Still that happened months ago. What I was wondering is, what’s changed? If the rules are the rules then the DQ should have been administered the day after Servis’s testimony. Maybe the Saudis are trying to find a way to not give the money to connections who started their horse with a trainer that kept the clenbuterol industry solvent before moving her to Asmussen who is, well……..Asmussen.
Even if they are the rules there is probably still a process they have to do. I understand what you are saying though. Why did it take 6 months for them to recommend he is DQd? And why isn't it done yet? Like at this rate, Servis will be out of jail before its settled.
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What would Midnight Bisou's total earnings be then?
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Starine wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:27 pm What would Midnight Bisou's total earnings be then?
$13,971,520

first place is 10m, 2nd place is 3.5m, so its a lot of money coming their way, maybe someday
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Flanders wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 pm
Starine wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:27 pm What would Midnight Bisou's total earnings be then?
$13,971,520

first place is 10m, 2nd place is 3.5m, so its a lot of money coming their way, maybe someday
If Bisou gets the win, she is now the richest USA mare?
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flytpthestars wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:02 pm
Flanders wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 pm
Starine wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:27 pm What would Midnight Bisou's total earnings be then?
$13,971,520

first place is 10m, 2nd place is 3.5m, so its a lot of money coming their way, maybe someday
If Bisou gets the win, she is now the richest USA mare?
I think she already was.
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Flanders wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:36 pm
flytpthestars wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:02 pm
Flanders wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 pm

$13,971,520

first place is 10m, 2nd place is 3.5m, so its a lot of money coming their way, maybe someday
If Bisou gets the win, she is now the richest USA mare?
I think she already was.
Thanks. She was a good one.
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