Fasig-Tipton November 2013
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flytpthestars
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Any announcement if Groupie Doll will run one more time? I am hoping she could before she settles into a new life as a preggo mama.
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Joltman
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Regarding the sale of quality mares, this has been going on for a long time and the nurseries of America keep churning the quality out because while one mare may be sold, there are others of similar quality that aren't. ' Breed the best to the best' does not need to be 'breed to the very best to the very best'. America/Ky has much of the best. That said, our own selection of bloodstock toward sprint/speed types that do not hold up is a bigger problem.
Secondly, like all commodities, horses are a global economy. Princequillo and Nasrullah were bred in Europe. Some of our best race mares in the last two decades have come from the Southern Hemisphere. Save for Japan's controls, most bloodstock is available at sales (or almost always at the right price) - let the market determine the winners and losers. Or whom shall we entrust with this task?
jm
Secondly, like all commodities, horses are a global economy. Princequillo and Nasrullah were bred in Europe. Some of our best race mares in the last two decades have come from the Southern Hemisphere. Save for Japan's controls, most bloodstock is available at sales (or almost always at the right price) - let the market determine the winners and losers. Or whom shall we entrust with this task?
jm
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amfuller
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flytpthestars wrote:Any announcement if Groupie Doll will run one more time? I am hoping she could before she settles into a new life as a preggo mama.
Mandy Pope said they have not made a final decision on that but it sounds like she will be retired more than likely. I think the comment from Mandy was along the lines of why take a chance of racing her again and possibly getting hurt. But then she said if they do it will only be one or two more times.
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Izvestia
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I don't know what is the big deal about horses being sold overseas (in particular Japan). Horseracing is an international sport, much like dressage, show jumping, and eventing. We have horses from all over the world, just like we have people from all over the world, living everywhere. Nearco was from Italy, and he was sold to stand in England. Nasrullah was from England and came to North America. Sunday Silence was unwanted in North America, so he was sold and was very successful in Japan. El Prado was from Ireland! Blushing Groom was from France. Silent Name was born in Japan.
Why is it so upsetting to fans to see their favourite horses get sold to international breeders? Why do people assume that when a horse is sold for MILLIONS of dollars, it will immediately become steak in another country? Why would someone buy a horse for a few million, just to kill it? What kind of idiot spends millions just to intentionally slaughter it? Have you seen the farms these horses go to? They are beautiful.
Horses are slaughtered and eaten over here in North America too. Not just cheap horses too. The media brought to our attention what happened in Japan. It happens elsewhere. What do you think happens to a lot of horses you never see or hear from again? What happens to horses in England and Ireland and France when they are no longer useful? In Canada? Look what happens in California...how many TB rescues there are!
Why is it so upsetting to fans to see their favourite horses get sold to international breeders? Why do people assume that when a horse is sold for MILLIONS of dollars, it will immediately become steak in another country? Why would someone buy a horse for a few million, just to kill it? What kind of idiot spends millions just to intentionally slaughter it? Have you seen the farms these horses go to? They are beautiful.
Horses are slaughtered and eaten over here in North America too. Not just cheap horses too. The media brought to our attention what happened in Japan. It happens elsewhere. What do you think happens to a lot of horses you never see or hear from again? What happens to horses in England and Ireland and France when they are no longer useful? In Canada? Look what happens in California...how many TB rescues there are!
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amfuller
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Izvestia wrote:I don't know what is the big deal about horses being sold overseas (in particular Japan). Horseracing is an international sport, much like dressage, show jumping, and eventing. We have horses from all over the world, just like we have people from all over the world, living everywhere. Nearco was from Italy, and he was sold to stand in England. Nasrullah was from England and came to North America. Sunday Silence was unwanted in North America, so he was sold and was very successful in Japan. El Prado was from Ireland! Blushing Groom was from France. Silent Name was born in Japan.
Why is it so upsetting to fans to see their favourite horses get sold to international breeders? Why do people assume that when a horse is sold for MILLIONS of dollars, it will immediately become steak in another country? Why would someone buy a horse for a few million, just to kill it? What kind of idiot spends millions just to intentionally slaughter it? Have you seen the farms these horses go to? They are beautiful.
Horses are slaughtered and eaten over here in North America too. Not just cheap horses too. The media brought to our attention what happened in Japan. It happens elsewhere. What do you think happens to a lot of horses you never see or hear from again? What happens to horses in England and Ireland and France when they are no longer useful? In Canada? Look what happens in California...how many TB rescues there are!
For the most part I don't think it's so much people will think they are going to be slaughtered but that the US is loosing good/great bloodlines. IMO. However, I'm sure slaughter is thought about also, but as you said that happens over here too.
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Izvestia
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We import "good/great" bloodlines over here too! We get horses from Australia, South America, South Africa, England, Ireland, France, Germany, and Japan too! It's good to bring horses from other places to make sure inbreeding isn't so close up. New bloodlines are good.
Manistique, for example. She never produced anything close to what she did on the track.
Azeri, as it turns out, produced some nice babies here. Her first baby was brittle. Her second and third babies are fillies and one of them is producing.
Empire Maker, he turned out to be a pretty fantastic sire here. You can breed to his close relative top and bottom, First Defence, at Juddmonte.
Another horse always comes along. They are replaceable. It's true. They keep producing more horses each year, with the same bloodlines. They aren't the same individual, but the "good/great" bloodlines are there, they are generations removed.
Manistique, for example. She never produced anything close to what she did on the track.
Azeri, as it turns out, produced some nice babies here. Her first baby was brittle. Her second and third babies are fillies and one of them is producing.
Empire Maker, he turned out to be a pretty fantastic sire here. You can breed to his close relative top and bottom, First Defence, at Juddmonte.
Another horse always comes along. They are replaceable. It's true. They keep producing more horses each year, with the same bloodlines. They aren't the same individual, but the "good/great" bloodlines are there, they are generations removed.
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BlindLucky
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It's been my experience that most of the people (especially on social media and places like that) who have the biggest problems with horses going to other countries--like you said, particularly Japan--are people who don't know that much about racing. They have little knowledge about the economics of it all (like the guy who said he felt sorry for Mr. Bradley that Groupie Doll had to be sold because her owners were greedy #!$*!@#! bastards--not understanding that he IS one of her owners). They're mostly casual fans who only know what they've read about Ferdinand and headlines about Rachel's foaling complications. I generally just try to bite my tongue and ignore thoseIzvestia wrote:I don't know what is the big deal about horses being sold overseas (in particular Japan).
As for most of the people on this board, I think we're just sad to see our favorite mares go bye bye because we won't see their babies on the track
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Ziggypop
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Yes, she is back with Buff and in NY for the Cigar.amfuller wrote:flytpthestars wrote:Any announcement if Groupie Doll will run one more time? I am hoping she could before she settles into a new life as a preggo mama.
Mandy Pope said they have not made a final decision on that but it sounds like she will be retired more than likely. I think the comment from Mandy was along the lines of why take a chance of racing her again and possibly getting hurt. But then she said if they do it will only be one or two more times.