Stallion News

Life At Zen · Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:37 pm

Admin wrote:
Life At Zen wrote:
hadrianmarcus wrote:Americain will be moving to the Irish National Stud for the Northern Hemisphere Season.

He's had two full books in two seasons at Swettingham Stud for the Southern Hemisphere.
And yet, he had virtually no interest at Calumet other than Brad Kelley's own broodmares. He
was a bit overpriced for the market. The bloodlines could have used his stamina in the States,
where fast, fragile and precocious rule a shortsighted marketplace.

Nevertheless, Calumet & Kelley showed a lot of class by going out and finding a good situation
for Americain where he could have a fair chance at success.
I think this is a big loss for American breeding. I really think he could've added something. Here's hoping Kelley's broodmares produce some fine runners by him.
But here's the rub -- would you have bred your mare to him? Whether breeding commercially or to race your own, you want to set yourself up to score as nice a return as possible (whether at the sales or as a breeding prospect) with the funds you have available. It's really tough to bring a horse here who has little if any name recognition by American owners and breeders, and tougher yet if he's a turf horse.

Our horses are falling apart. We do greatly need some new blood here. It's time we have a serious discussion about allowing AE.

I probably would have. If I had a band of Broodmares id be jumping at every opportunity to bring in newer, stronger bloodlines. I don't know how long I'd stay in business but that's maybe why I'm not part of the breeding biz. My heart would control my actions instead of a logical mind.

BaroqueAgain1 · Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:24 pm

I wonder if Americain had a muted response from American breeders, not because he had a turf stayer's resume, but because he is such a BIG horse. He's well over 17 hands and strongly-built, so maybe breeders didn't think he was a good match for many mares?

Admin: "...We do greatly need some new blood here. It's time we have a serious discussion about allowing AE."
Did you mean AI? Artificial Insemination? I agree that it could have some benefits...access to international stallions, without putting those stallions through the very real risks of shipping, for one.

BlindLucky · Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:01 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I wonder if Americain had a muted response from American breeders, not because he had a turf stayer's resume, but because he is such a BIG horse. He's well over 17 hands and strongly-built, so maybe breeders didn't think he was a good match for many mares?

Or because Dynaformer hasn't really been a sire of sires at this point.

Izvestia · Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:49 pm

BlindLucky wrote:
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I wonder if Americain had a muted response from American breeders, not because he had a turf stayer's resume, but because he is such a BIG horse. He's well over 17 hands and strongly-built, so maybe breeders didn't think he was a good match for many mares?
Or because Dynaformer hasn't really been a sire of sires at this point.

Temple City has something to say about that. And, Point of Entry.

Starine · Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:25 pm

Izvestia wrote:
BlindLucky wrote:
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I wonder if Americain had a muted response from American breeders, not because he had a turf stayer's resume, but because he is such a BIG horse. He's well over 17 hands and strongly-built, so maybe breeders didn't think he was a good match for many mares?
Or because Dynaformer hasn't really been a sire of sires at this point.
Temple City has something to say about that. And, Point of Entry.

Temple City's early results have been extremely encouraging. He has really surprised me in a good way.

Northport · Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:30 am

Spring at Last has been sold and will stand in Saudi Arabia

http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/news/b ... 09500/top/

carole · Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:28 pm

I don't know if this has been mentioned but Sea The Stars has a new fee for this year and it's now 125,000 Euros!

Northport · Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:48 pm

carole wrote:I don't know if this has been mentioned but Sea The Stars has a new fee for this year and it's now 125,000 Euros!

I saw that a while back on the Aga Khan's website and was surprised that I hadn't seen a release on Racingpost first. I know he had a dynamite first year but I don't know if it really warranted a 45,000 Euro increase. I am the biggest Sea the Stars fan you'll find but if I was a breeder looking for a reasonably priced yet proven young stallion, I'd be heading to Mastercraftsman.

carole · Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:27 pm

Northport wrote:
carole wrote:I don't know if this has been mentioned but Sea The Stars has a new fee for this year and it's now 125,000 Euros!
I saw that a while back on the Aga Khan's website and was surprised that I hadn't seen a release on Racingpost first. I know he had a dynamite first year but I don't know if it really warranted a 45,000 Euro increase. I am the biggest Sea the Stars fan you'll find but if I was a breeder looking for a reasonably priced yet proven young stallion, I'd be heading to Mastercraftsman.

I absolutely LOVE the horse but I agree that's a bit much really. He is no Galileo yet

Then again, Frankel started off with a super high fee but he does still stand as the world's best ever horse in terms of ratings...and he is by Galileo.

hadrianmarcus · Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:36 pm

Northport wrote:
carole wrote:I don't know if this has been mentioned but Sea The Stars has a new fee for this year and it's now 125,000 Euros!
I saw that a while back on the Aga Khan's website and was surprised that I hadn't seen a release on Racingpost first. I know he had a dynamite first year but I don't know if it really warranted a 45,000 Euro increase. I am the biggest Sea the Stars fan you'll find but if I was a breeder looking for a reasonably priced yet proven young stallion, I'd be heading to Mastercraftsman.

Sea of Stars had 82 mares in 2013 and 120 in 2014 compared to Mastercraftsman's 172 mares in 2013 and 221 in 2014. Breeders were already favoring MCM b/c of the fee difference prior to Sea of Stars price increase. Clearly the two of them are best of the new stallions.....and I loved both horses when they were racing, but MCM is better positioned both to draw breeder interest and for on-track success due to the superior number of progeny racing the next few years.

BaroqueAgain1 · Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:03 pm

28-year-old Sky Classic has been pensioned.
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/blood ... -oak-stud/

Izvestia · Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:24 am

Sky Classic! What a racehorse! Wonderful to think he was so healthy that he was breeding up to now. Hope he has a happy retirement.
He is one of my absolute favourite racehorses of all time.

BlindLucky · Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:39 pm

From DRF:
Jaycito, a Grade 1 winner at 2 who had been based in New Mexico, has been sold to stand stud in Venezuela, said Justin Evans, who trained the horse in recent times. Jaycito won 5 of 29 starts and $452,934. Jaycito is a son of Victory Gallop.

Starine · Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:36 pm

Izvestia wrote:Sky Classic! What a racehorse! Wonderful to think he was so healthy that he was breeding up to now. Hope he has a happy retirement.
He is one of my absolute favourite racehorses of all time.

And he really was an underrated stallion. He was never fashionable, but was a solid breed-to-race stallion by the numbers.

bare it all · Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:28 pm

Invasor back to Uruguay... Hopefully he does better there than here.

sweettalk · Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:49 pm

bare it all wrote:Invasor back to Uruguay... Hopefully he does better there than here.

shuttle or permanent?

mariasmon · Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:15 pm

sweettalk wrote:
bare it all wrote:Invasor back to Uruguay... Hopefully he does better there than here.
shuttle or permanent?

I think I read it'll be a 3-year deal.

sweettalk · Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:37 pm

mariasmon wrote:
sweettalk wrote:
bare it all wrote:Invasor back to Uruguay... Hopefully he does better there than here.
shuttle or permanent?
I think I read it'll be a 3-year deal.

well, good luck to him. i hope he does well.

BaroqueAgain1 · Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:12 pm

Thunder Gulch has been pensioned.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... oned-at-23

Izvestia · Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:40 am

Thunder Gulch was such a tough little racehorse. 1995 was a long time ago! He had a very good stud career, and I am glad they are retiring him to live out his days. He looks like a pony in the video.