Fasig Tipton November 2014

[Natalma]

I would like to have hip 195. Need to raise a few pesos, first.

[Natalma]

Discreet Marq $2.4 million

Moyglare Stud farm

[BlindLucky]

Dayatthespa to Stonestreet

Pleeeease can we keep her in training?

[BlindLucky]

Wow Capo Bastone $300,000

Interesting, Stronach bought him.

[Natalma]

DRFBreeding ‏@DRFBreeding 2m2 minutes ago
Taris sold to Simon Callaghan for $2.35M. #FTNov

[Carotene]

Can someone remind me how I can watch video of the horses already through the ring? I totally forgot it started at 4 so would like to go back now that I've read comments like how pretty and quiet Fashion Plate is.

Like someone else here said, I also wonder where Mandy is lol

[swale1984]

Can someone remind me how I can watch video of the horses already through the ring? I totally forgot it started at 4 so would like to go back now that I've read comments like how pretty and quiet Fashion Plate is.

Like someone else here said, I also wonder where Mandy is lol

They currently have the October yearling sale up on Fasig Tipton TV. I'm guessing tonight's sale will go up soon.

[BaroqueAgain1]

I read in this Paulick article that Mandy was the underbidder on Princess. Guess she didn't want to go past $3 million.
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/blood ... er-sale-2/

[Ziggypop]

This is always blown out of proportion.
I don't think the "best" went over there. Like Mariasmon said, other than Sunday Silence, these horses haven't exactly hit the jackpot. Do we know for a fact that Sunday Silence would've had the success here that he had there?
Silver Charm was not a leading sire when he was here. Aldebaran...? He wasn't doing well at all.
I'll Have Another is a son of FLOWER ALLEY.... who is still here, and not exactly a standout. Charismatic hasn't done much.
The only 2 sires I can think of now that I wish they hadn't sent over there is Empire Maker and Wild Rush. Empire Maker is a top sire, and Wild Rush was better than he was given credit. I don't even know how he is doing over there.
As for the mares, there are just as many impeccably bred mares producing here. Of the mares sent over there, who really has been THAT incredible? Name 5 mares that you would say were a "loss" to our industry!

Flower Alley was sold this spring and stands in So Africa.

[Allspice]

This is always blown out of proportion.
I don't think the "best" went over there. Like Mariasmon said, other than Sunday Silence, these horses haven't exactly hit the jackpot. Do we know for a fact that Sunday Silence would've had the success here that he had there?
Silver Charm was not a leading sire when he was here. Aldebaran...? He wasn't doing well at all.
I'll Have Another is a son of FLOWER ALLEY.... who is still here, and not exactly a standout. Charismatic hasn't done much.
The only 2 sires I can think of now that I wish they hadn't sent over there is Empire Maker and Wild Rush. Empire Maker is a top sire, and Wild Rush was better than he was given credit. I don't even know how he is doing over there.
As for the mares, there are just as many impeccably bred mares producing here. Of the mares sent over there, who really has been THAT incredible? Name 5 mares that you would say were a "loss" to our industry!

Flower Alley was sold this spring and stands in So Africa.

Just noticed Izvestia mentioned Wild Rush. I was disappointed when he left the country too, he was a good sire. I don't think he is still an active stud, he last covered mares in 2012. His best foal over there, Transcend, was a multiple Gr.I winner (won the Japan Cup Dirt twice, finished second in the 2011 DWC) and stands at Arrow Stud, same farm as Wild Rush. His first foals are yearlings.

Back on topic...those RNAs. Unlimited Budget is off to Japan, as is She's a Tiger. I'm glad to see Dayatthespa is staying here though. I wonder if she'll be retired. Yearly Report is too, yay. But Excellent Meeting's half sister by Empire Maker (Monarchy) is headed to Australia. Darn.

[sweettalk]

"the best" covers more than the stallions. we've lost a LOT of mares to over seas buyers, more than we can sit and play "would she have been good over here" with. it's not the buyers' fault, i'm not saying that. they take the breeding stock we're too cheap to keep. our loss. then we say, every year, how bad our current racing crop is. we only have ourselves to blame.

[luvthesales]

"the best" covers more than the stallions. we've lost a LOT of mares to over seas buyers, more than we can sit and play "would she have been good over here" with. it's not the buyers' fault, i'm not saying that. they take the breeding stock we're too cheap to keep. our loss. then we say, every year, how bad our current racing crop is. we only have ourselves to blame.

I'm certain all breeders wish they had more disposable income. I'm certain almost everyone in the world wishes they had more disposable income, on the entire spectrum of the scale of wealth.

I don't know their accountants, nor do I see their financials. If you do and you can attest the Americans are simply being tightwads sitting on loads of cash while letting these horses go, then you have more information than I, which is why I won't try to spend their money. I simply wouldn't feel comfortable.

[sweettalk]

not all farms and owners are poor, i dont think. american buyers are not willing to shell out the cash that the over seas sellers are - we're the same country that generally rushes a colt to get that stud fee as soon as he's a G1 winner. it's just an opinion. you can argue it if you want to, but not with me.

[luvthesales]

not all farms and owners are poor, i dont think. american buyers are not willing to shell out the cash that the over seas sellers are - we're the same country that generally rushes a colt to get that stud fee as soon as he's a G1 winner. it's just an opinion. you can argue it if you want to, but not with me.

Why do you suppose they're "not willing to shell out the cash that the overseas buyers are"? There is a reason, of course. There is a great gulf between 'poor' and 'enough money to compete with certain foreign interests and still maintain a sound business plan.' I'm positive many would love to be able to buy these mares, but you have to have a stopping point or you will not be able to stay in business for long. Farms are not as flush with cash as they used to be; I know from personal (painful) experience. Americans are trying to get some of these mares; they just have to stop bidding before the Japanese (primarily) do. If they weren't bidding, you can bet the Japanese wouldn't have to pay so much. I don't understand how having a bidding ceiling translates to being cheap or illustrates some lack of interest in attaining/keeping them. YMMV.

[Somnambulist]

not all farms and owners are poor, i dont think. american buyers are not willing to shell out the cash that the over seas sellers are - we're the same country that generally rushes a colt to get that stud fee as soon as he's a G1 winner. it's just an opinion. you can argue it if you want to, but not with me.

I'm not sure many people or business' in any facet of life have the ability to blindly toss several million in an individual horse often enough to stay afloat. Here in America we don't live lavishly while those who managed to get on the crap end of the caste system starve and die.

I can definitely get the frustration over losing favorite horses. Unfortunately this is probably going to get worse in time rather than better. Just means you should seek out something else to enjoy about racing to keep it even.

[BlindLucky]

It sucks to lose the big names--especially when we've followed them so closely during their careers--but when you look at it from these buyers' perspectives: If you've got $15 million to spend at an auction, would you rather go home with two or three big-name mares, or 15 to 25 other decent mares? Or more? I think a lot of farms tend to take the bigger picture view, unless there's one or two very specific ones they really want. Mandy Pope and a few others are exceptions, but it's tough for most to justify spending so many millions on one filly or mare when you could get 10 top class prospects for the same price. And your odds of getting a runner out of 10 decent tries is better than rolling the dice with 1.

That's my take on it, anyway. I'm mostly just trying to rationalize this to myself, since a few of my recent favorites are probably boarding the jet to Japan as we speak. Although I have to say thanks to Stonestreet, among others, for buying a few I was keeping an eye on because they're so good about updates on their band

[luvthesales]

It sucks to lose the big names--especially when we've followed them so closely during their careers--but when you look at it from these buyers' perspectives: If you've got $15 million to spend at an auction, would you rather go home with two or three big-name mares, or 15 to 25 other decent mares? Or more? I think a lot of farms tend to take the bigger picture view, unless there's one or two very specific ones they really want. Mandy Pope and a few others are exceptions, but it's tough for most to justify spending so many millions on one filly or mare when you could get 10 top class prospects for the same price. And your odds of getting a runner out of 10 decent tries is better than rolling the dice with 1.

That's my take on it, anyway. I'm mostly just trying to rationalize this to myself, since a few of my recent favorites are probably boarding the jet to Japan as we speak. Although I have to say thanks to Stonestreet, among others, for buying a few I was keeping an eye on because they're so good about updates on their band

Exactly.

[Life At Zen]

Stopchargingmaria for $3.15 million

Town & Country Farm. She will race in 2015 with Pletcher.

[BlindLucky]

Stopchargingmaria for $3.15 million

Town & Country Farm. She will race in 2015 with Pletcher.

Did they buy her privately?