2013 Report of Mares Bred

serenassong · Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:04 am

It's up at JC- go to main page- under Publications and Resources, down towards the bottom. Alphabetical listing- just click on the first letter to see the stallion that you are interested in.

Or, try this
http://www.jockeyclub.com/information.a ... equest=RMB

BlindLucky · Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:17 pm

I wonder how long Invasor and Corinthian will remain in KY? Invasor got 14 mares, Corinthian got 11. Ouch.

serenassong · Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:25 pm

BlindLucky wrote:I wonder how long Invasor and Corinthian will remain in KY? Invasor got 14 mares, Corinthian got 11. Ouch.

Yeah, probably not much longer, along with Harlington, who only got 4. They would do better in a smaller, regional market. Mr. Melnyk lists Harlington under stallions at Winding Oaks in Florida, wonder if he will just end up their full time rather than remaining in KY?

KimmieB · Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:42 pm

Ontario took a huge hit thanks to the government. Only 726 mares were bred.

http://ontariothoroughbred.com/breeding ... 44-in-2013

Wonder how long the remaining stallions last in the province before they ship out? I would not be surprised if Hill N dale sells one of their properties in the area. It seems like they are boarding less and less mares each year.

Its amazing how quickly the government can decimate an entire industry. Scary.

Any word on the standardbred side of the Ontario industry in terms of mares bred?

second_glance · Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:33 pm

Einstein got 24.

second_glance · Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:35 pm

On the bright side, Lonhro got 116!

horsefan · Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:10 pm

second_glance wrote:Einstein got 24.

Yes, I was surprised at that low number too. I think he is going to be an excellent sire.

Flanders · Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:15 am

There are a lot of surprises on the list to me.
Fusaichi Pegasus - 39
Horse Greeley - 33
Smoke Glacken - 30
Maimonides - 27 (can't see him staying in KY with those numbers)
Misremembered - 27
Rule - 27
War Chant - 27
Belong to Me - 26 (though he has been low numbers for awhile)
Point Given - 24
Tiago - 24 (though I believe he was coming back from surgery and missing at least one season)
Vineyard Haven - 24
Eddington - 23
Thunder Gulch - 23
Lewis Michael - 22
Nicanor - 22
Aikenite - 21
Roman Ruler - 21
Bullsbay - 20
El Corredor - 20
Sun King - 18
Badge of Silver - 17
Flashy Bull - 17
Louis Quatorze - 15
Jazil - 14
Sky Classic - 9
Devil His Due - 7 (though he may have been pensioned early in the season)
Mustanfar - 7
Niagara Causeway -7
Lentenor - 6
Value Plus - 6
Wando - 6
Brother Derek - 5
Showing Up - 4
Seeking The Dia - 2
Da Stoops - 1
Fly Till Dawn -1 (he shows up every year)
Greek Sun -1 (remember the name, Danzig son?)

amfuller · Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:33 am

I was surprised by Hansen's 147. I figured that he possibly didn't get a good book and that reason prompted his selling? Obviously that's not the case so I wonder what it was, I guess good old fashion money.

serenassong · Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:14 am

second_glance wrote:On the bright side, Lonhro got 116!

I am loving that, very pleased when I saw it.

Northport · Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:05 am

I was shocked to see no coolmore stallions over 200

mariasmon · Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:48 am

Northport wrote:I was shocked to see no coolmore stallions over 200

Yes and I thought they had 2 excellent values in Majestic Warrior and Scat Daddy, plus one of the best unproven young stallions in Uncle Mo. It's probably just a reflection of fewer mares being bred overall.

mariasmon · Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:52 am

Hightail and Lentenor got the same number of mares - 6 - and Hightail wasn't even standing for an advertised fee.

Flanders · Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:03 pm

amfuller wrote:I was surprised by Hansen's 147. I figured that he possibly didn't get a good book and that reason prompted his selling? Obviously that's not the case so I wonder what it was, I guess good old fashion money.

I read that the offer was more money than they could make in over 5 years of stud fees. They put a clause into the contract, that they can buy him back if he has enough stakes winners in his first crop.

Flanders · Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:05 pm

Afleet Express - 9
Benchmark - 9

In the how the hell did they convince that many people category:
Maclean's Music - 121

Just seems like an awful lot of mares for a horse who made one start, when producing stallions were hardly getting mares.

amfuller · Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:47 pm

Flanders wrote:Afleet Express - 9
Benchmark - 9

In the how the hell did they convince that many people category:
Maclean's Music - 121

Just seems like an awful lot of mares for a horse who made one start, when producing stallions were hardly getting mares.

I agree, I was shocked at the number of mares he got.

Pronzini · Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:57 pm

mariasmon wrote:
Northport wrote:I was shocked to see no coolmore stallions over 200
Yes and I thought they had 2 excellent values in Majestic Warrior and Scat Daddy, plus one of the best unproven young stallions in Uncle Mo. It's probably just a reflection of fewer mares being bred overall.

My guess is that Scat Daddy's fee of $30,000 cooled off some interest.

Ioya Two · Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:11 pm

How old is Fly Til Dawn now? Obviously pensioned eons ago, but it seems he gets one mare a year. I wonder if he's stopping them or not? What an old school pedigree. If I had a mare, I'd honestly try and see if I'd get them to let me use him for her.

Flanders · Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:49 pm

Ioya Two wrote:How old is Fly Til Dawn now? Obviously pensioned eons ago, but it seems he gets one mare a year. I wonder if he's stopping them or not? What an old school pedigree. If I had a mare, I'd honestly try and see if I'd get them to let me use him for her.

He is 27. Last year was actually the first year he covered a mare since 2006. According to the JC, he covered one mare last year and had one foal this year.
I don't know if he was ever pensioned. He had stood at Spendthrift. B. Wayne Hughes bought Spendthrift in 2004 and left the stallions stay there for a couple years. He had the farm renovated and in 2008, he moved his own stallions in. All the stallions that had been there when Hughes bought the property were gone by the time he moved his own stallions in.

starrydreamer · Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:11 am

How many stallions have their books limited? I believe War Front does, which is why he only saw 105 and his son, The Factor, saw 135 (I'm sure stud fees made The Factor a cheaper alternative to his sire as well).

184 for Kitten's Joy... we're going to run out of Kitten names.

Then again, considering the success he's been having, it's not surprising. I wonder how many of those mares were not owned by the Ramseys.

75 for Artie Schiller, not sure how this compares to past years. Hopefully We Miss Artie and My Conquestadory drum up more interest in him.