Foals of 2014

mariasmon · Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:04 pm

c. So You Think x Lady of Akita (3/7) - dam is 1/2 to Agnes Digital

tachyon · Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:45 pm

Thank you!!

mariasmon · Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:51 pm

Lady of Akita has been a world traveler, but is back in KY now.

serenassong · Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:12 pm

Is that something the German breeders try now and again? I'm not a fan of this at all- and they tend to be very particular about their breedings from what I can see- I think the stallions have to pass a physical to get into the book- or am I thinking of something else? BTW- in the German tradition- they name babies with the first letter of the dam's name- which is neat.

Flanders · Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:18 pm

serenassong wrote:Is that something the German breeders try now and again? I'm not a fan of this at all- and they tend to be very particular about their breedings from what I can see- I think the stallions have to pass a physical to get into the book- or am I thinking of something else? BTW- in the German tradition- they name babies with the first letter of the dam's name- which is neat.

I know stallions have to pass tests for, at least, the Hanoverian and Oldenburg stud books, possibly more Warmblood breeds. They are usually very careful about their breedings and it seems to be an effort on the part of the breeders to improve the horses themselves.

In a wide-ranging and illuminating talk, Morris mentioned that breeders in Germany were doing excellent work and that they were reaping the rewards for years of concentrated effort. Although I knew the international performers already on the stage from German breeding, Morris’s contention was that there was more depth and quality to come.

To my query about why this was so, he said that the breeding programs of the best German studs focused on the athleticism of the parent stock. In addition to racing ability, the criteria for breeding stock included an emphasis on conformation, on soundness, and on racing without medication.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/blood ... influence/

Ketama · Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:28 pm

serenassong wrote:Is that something the German breeders try now and again? I'm not a fan of this at all- and they tend to be very particular about their breedings from what I can see- I think the stallions have to pass a physical to get into the book- or am I thinking of something else? BTW- in the German tradition- they name babies with the first letter of the dam's name- which is neat.

It's not common in Germany, and not elsewhere in Europe as far as I know. Though Federico Tesio was a friend of thoughtful inbreeding in his times, and very successful with it. In this case it was said that is was a one-off experiment and won't be repeated. The breeder is a guy with a lot of experience, and he knows the horses well, since he had bred both of the parents. Physical tests are done with warmblood stallions. They have to pass a conformation/movement/free jumping test at the age of 2 1/2 (not yet ridden then), and they do another long-time test a year later under the saddle, which takes usually 30 days or 70 days. The state stallions in former times passed a 300 days-test in dressage/jumping/cross country at the age of 3 to 4. Since most stallions are in private hands nowadays, time is money for the owners, so they cut the tests shorter.

The German thoroughbred stallions have to reach a certain level of racing success to be licensed for thoroughbred breeding. If they are below it they can still be used as stallions for warmbloods. In this case they would have to pass a conformation test first though, the warmblood breeders are very picky with conformation correctness, height and the quality of especially walk and trot movement of the thoroughbreds they would use.

Ketama · Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:33 pm

If I translated correctly, this is a Japanese foal by Special Week o/o Omega Spirit. No sex mentioned.

tachyon · Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:27 am

Ketama wrote:If I translated correctly, this is a Japanese foal by Special Week o/o Omega Spirit. No sex mentioned.

filly (1/2 sister to G3 placed Nuovo Record) born on March 5

tachyon · Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:33 am

uma_nosuke wrote:f, King Kamehameha x Buena Vista

Next magnificent view was born.

The first foal (filly) for champion Buena Vista was born on Feb 3 at Northern Farm.

ChampionCurlin · Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:49 am

f. First Samurai x G3W Burnish (1/?)

ChampionCurlin · Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:55 am

c. Slew's Tiznow x Choco Ale (1/18)

ChampionCurlin · Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:02 am

f. The Pamplemousse x Affordability (2/16)

ChampionCurlin · Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:18 am

f. E Z's Gentleman x Tiz Vavace (2/10)

c. E Z's Gentleman x Damara (2/5)

serenassong · Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:42 pm

Ketama wrote:
serenassong wrote:Is that something the German breeders try now and again? I'm not a fan of this at all- and they tend to be very particular about their breedings from what I can see- I think the stallions have to pass a physical to get into the book- or am I thinking of something else? BTW- in the German tradition- they name babies with the first letter of the dam's name- which is neat.
It's not common in Germany, and not elsewhere in Europe as far as I know. Though Federico Tesio was a friend of thoughtful inbreeding in his times, and very successful with it. In this case it was said that is was a one-off experiment and won't be repeated. The breeder is a guy with a lot of experience, and he knows the horses well, since he had bred both of the parents. Physical tests are done with warmblood stallions. They have to pass a conformation/movement/free jumping test at the age of 2 1/2 (not yet ridden then), and they do another long-time test a year later under the saddle, which takes usually 30 days or 70 days. The state stallions in former times passed a 300 days-test in dressage/jumping/cross country at the age of 3 to 4. Since most stallions are in private hands nowadays, time is money for the owners, so they cut the tests shorter.

The German thoroughbred stallions have to reach a certain level of racing success to be licensed for thoroughbred breeding. If they are below it they can still be used as stallions for warmbloods. In this case they would have to pass a conformation test first though, the warmblood breeders are very picky with conformation correctness, height and the quality of especially walk and trot movement of the thoroughbreds they would use.

Thanks guys for that. One might think that a horse jumped a fence- and, here is baby. Having a hard time thinking this was done intentionally. Although, I do seem to remember a daughter being bred to her father. Have seen some up close inbreeding in the Arab world.

ChampionCurlin · Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:17 pm

c. Congrats x Grand Cru Cruzian (2/17) - dam is 1/2 to Brilliant Speed and Souper Speedy

ChampionCurlin · Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:22 pm

c. Ghostzapper x Tizsotrue (3/9) - dam is 1/2 to Paynter

serenassong · Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:33 am

3/9- Tiznow x Stormy Welcome (dam is full to Mr. Sekiguchi- granddam is Weekend Surprise)- don't know the sex yet. Stormy's first foal Dublin Up(UBS) got third at SA R2 on Friday in a photo by two very slim noses.

tres borrachos · Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:45 am

shortlead wrote:Carefully done, you can try it. If you are fairly familiar with the gene pool and have an idea of the pluses and minuses of that particular gene pool, you can give it a shot. The good will outweigh the bad or the other way around. This foal looks quite healthy.

My Basset Hound looked healthy too, but her brain was not healthy. I suppose it can work fine though, I just don't think it's a great idea if it can be avoided.

Ketama · Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:04 am

colt - Mastercraftsman o/o American Jewel at Barouche Stud (IRE)

Ketama · Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:21 am

colt - Union Rags - Bold Assurance

What a looker!