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Psychotic Parakeet wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:12 pm
Flanders wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:02 pm
Psychotic Parakeet wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 3:48 pm Spendthrift (KY) Mares bred: 3363 19.4%
Ashford (KY) Mares bred: 2358 13.6%
Darley (KY) Mares bred: 1725 10%
Lane's End Mares bred: 1354 7.8%
WinStar Mares bred: 1083 6.2%
Hill n' Dale (KY) Mares bred: 1050 6%
Taylor Made (KY). Mares bred: 683 3.9%
Walmac Mares bred: 420 2.4%
Three Chimneys Mares bred: 379 2.1%
Juddmonte Mares bred: 346 2%

Total: 12,761
Projected 2025 Foal Crop: 17,300


73.7% of next year's foal crop will have come a mare that was bred from one of these Kentucky-based farms. Spendthrift holds the helm with commanding nearly 20% of that number.
No you are interpreting the data wrongly. Yes its very high, but its under 50%. All the mares are not going to have foals that were bred to those stallions. Then there were 25,301 mares bred with RMBs submitted. The JC factors mares not getting in foal or losing pregnancies into the project foal crop.
Gotcha. Thank you. It still is not a rosy outlook though.
I agree. I think I look at regional numbers every year and get shocked every time at how few are bred anymore.

The last crop they have on here in 2022. But comparing that to 1991, the Kentucky bred foals only went up by 500. While state breeding programs went down by 21,662, which is crazy.
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Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:27 pm

Consequence of losing a non Kentucky or New York racetrack every two years. What's the point of breeding regionally when you have nowhere to race them.

On another note, I cannot believe how many mares Frosted still gets without ever having sired a G1 winner.

I know they have had him in a more realistic price bracket for 2023/2024, but we know what he is now... and he's a bit "meh"
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Flanders wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:21 pm
I agree. I think I look at regional numbers every year and get shocked every time at how few are bred anymore.

The last crop they have on here in 2022. But comparing that to 1991, the Kentucky bred foals only went up by 500. While state breeding programs went down by 21,662, which is crazy.
https://jockeyclub.com/default.asp?section=FB&area=4
This is another area where the Standardbred industry has the right idea with their abundance of sire stakes series. Most states where Standardbreds race have series for 2- 3- and to some extent older horses that give out a lot of money, often with multiple divisions and separate series for slower horses at fairs/smaller tracks. There is an incentive to breed to stallions from or to have a mare foal in the states with smaller pool of horses, since if there are say a dozen other trotting fillies in your crop just making the starting gate of the stakes series gives you a great chance of getting that money. Combine with 140-mare limits for each stallion, AI giving access to stallions across the country, and the fact that Standardbreds can race once or more a week, and you've got much more equity among the states when it comes to breeding.
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Miss Woodford wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 12:09 am
Flanders wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:21 pm
I agree. I think I look at regional numbers every year and get shocked every time at how few are bred anymore.

The last crop they have on here in 2022. But comparing that to 1991, the Kentucky bred foals only went up by 500. While state breeding programs went down by 21,662, which is crazy.
https://jockeyclub.com/default.asp?section=FB&area=4
This is another area where the Standardbred industry has the right idea with their abundance of sire stakes series. Most states where Standardbreds race have series for 2- 3- and to some extent older horses that give out a lot of money, often with multiple divisions and separate series for slower horses at fairs/smaller tracks. There is an incentive to breed to stallions from or to have a mare foal in the states with smaller pool of horses, since if there are say a dozen other trotting fillies in your crop just making the starting gate of the stakes series gives you a great chance of getting that money. Combine with 140-mare limits for each stallion, AI giving access to stallions across the country, and the fact that Standardbreds can race once or more a week, and you've got much more equity among the states when it comes to breeding.
Yeah. For Thoroughbreds, almost every state allows whoever to be the sire, they don't have to be in the state. As long as the mare lives in the state the majority of the time and foals there. So there is little incentive in actually standing stallions in state.
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Weatherbys return of mares is in, here are some highlights:

Order of St George covered 311 mares
Calyx 273 (why?)
Santiago 251
Good Guess 250
Affinisea 246
Sioux Nation 246
Mehmas 244
Hurricane Lane 236
Triple Threat 225
Poet’s Word 223
Authorized 138
Phoenix of Spain 217 (from 91 in 2023)
King of Change 131 (from 53 in 2023)
Awtaad 128 (from 74 in 2023)
Frankel 192

Calyx had one G2 and one G3 winner in 2023, and zero in 2024. I was expecting him to be sold in 2024, not cover almost 300 mares. I know commercial breeders need to make commercial decisions to survive, but c’mon now.
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Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:04 am

can you make a list of the numbers for all Coolmore stallions, Northport?
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brunanas wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:04 am can you make a list of the numbers for all Coolmore stallions, Northport?
I only got the highlights from RacingPost/Nick Luck’s podcast, I don’t subscribe to Weatherbys, sorry!
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Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:20 pm

There is someone on X that, at least last year, would give the numbers for stallions that were asked about... maybe Graham Pavey(Longballtonoone)?
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Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:56 pm

fairly sure it's the Frankel guy. i wish the Weatherbys was a free (or at least a cheap) service. the Argentinian and Japanese studbooks are the best ones out there. at least in the US we can see the number of mares bred for free :oops:
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RP article:

Five major talking points from this year's Weatherbys Return of Mares

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Is it just me or does Frankel look a bit obese?
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Eohippus wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:25 am Is it just me or does Frankel look a bit obese?
His brother Noble Mission has looked overweight in the past and even after being sent to Japan and ridden for exercise.

I wonder if being super "easy keepers" just runs in the family and the gene has just caught up to Frankel.
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I'm excited for Frankel x In Italian! Love that mare

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wondering how many mares Paddington bred. saw on Twitter that there were rumors that he was having "issues"...?
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Fri Nov 08, 2024 6:31 pm

France's 25 busiest Flat stallions

* denotes first covering season

Galiway 248 - largest book ever covered by a French Thoroughbred stallion
Ace Impact* 182
Erevann* 168
Sealiway 157
City Light 150
Zarak 144
Vadeni* 128
Siyouni 127
Hello Youmzain 124
Onesto* 120
Anodin 119
Muhaarar 114
Intello 112
Mishriff* 112
Goken 107
Persian King 102
Bay Bridge* 102
Seabhac 100
Seahenge 98
Angel Bleu* 95
Zelzal 88
Motivator 80
Headman 75
Wooded 71
Armor 70

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/v ... F8cezvMB-g
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Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:13 am

It looks like Raimonde Farms in Ohio (who notably stand Mr. Freeze and Drill) still has not reported.
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