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Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:15 pm

Psychotic Parakeet wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:21 pm Freud, the full-brother to Giant's Causeway, has been pensioned from stud duties at 26-years-old:

https://www.nytbreeders.org/news/2024/1 ... zOmtrJBuQw
I was just looking him up yesterday, wondering if he was still standing. He's a good looking guy.
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G2SW/G1p Chewing Gum to Rockridge in NY. He will stand for a private fee.

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Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:03 am

Stunning revelation: City of Troy won’t race in 2025

https://coolmore.com/farms/ireland/news ... b4m58H5iww

I mean, they were already advertising him on this year’s brochure, but I guess people needed a reminder.
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Northport wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:03 am Stunning revelation: City of Troy won’t race in 2025

https://coolmore.com/farms/ireland/news ... b4m58H5iww

I mean, they were already advertising him on this year’s brochure, but I guess people needed a reminder.
I'm not surprised but I AM disappointed. He's sound, healthy and doing really well. I'd keep him running at age 4
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Northport wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:03 am Stunning revelation: City of Troy won’t race in 2025

https://coolmore.com/farms/ireland/news ... b4m58H5iww

I mean, they were already advertising him on this year’s brochure, but I guess people needed a reminder.
who do you guys think Coolmore will support more? City of Troy or Auguste Rodin?
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Northport wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:03 am Stunning revelation: City of Troy won’t race in 2025

https://coolmore.com/farms/ireland/news ... b4m58H5iww

I mean, they were already advertising him on this year’s brochure, but I guess people needed a reminder.

Hes probably the only justify I am excited to see off to stud though I wish we got to see him at 4
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TapitsGal wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:13 am I'm not surprised but I AM disappointed. He's sound, healthy and doing really well. I'd keep him running at age 4
Nothing left to prove as an intact son of Justify, I suppose. :roll:
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brunanas wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:33 am
Northport wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:03 am Stunning revelation: City of Troy won’t race in 2025

https://coolmore.com/farms/ireland/news ... b4m58H5iww

I mean, they were already advertising him on this year’s brochure, but I guess people needed a reminder.
who do you guys think Coolmore will support more? City of Troy or Auguste Rodin?
City of Troy. When O'Brien said COT was getting first choice of races, to me that meant he is who Coolmore is focusing on. Auguste Rodin losing most of his races this year, didn't gain any support from Coolmore. And actually probably will make them rethink ever running a horse at 4 again, that would be popular at stud. I think they are sending him to the Japan Cup because they hope he runs well and they have somewhere to sell him if he fails at stud.
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Flanders wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:21 pm
brunanas wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:33 am
Northport wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:03 am Stunning revelation: City of Troy won’t race in 2025

https://coolmore.com/farms/ireland/news ... b4m58H5iww

I mean, they were already advertising him on this year’s brochure, but I guess people needed a reminder.
who do you guys think Coolmore will support more? City of Troy or Auguste Rodin?
City of Troy. When O'Brien said COT was getting first choice of races, to me that meant he is who Coolmore is focusing on. Auguste Rodin losing most of his races this year, didn't gain any support from Coolmore. And actually probably will make them rethink ever running a horse at 4 again, that would be popular at stud. I think they are sending him to the Japan Cup because they hope he runs well and they have somewhere to sell him if he fails at stud.
All of this. City of Troy is the better horse, has more speed, and is by an in house sire that they want to make into a breed shaper. At the time of the Derby 2023, John Magnier was telling his family that August Rodin was the most important thing to happen to Coolmore in decades, now that he’s fizzled at 4 and COT has shown up, I will genuinely be surprised if Coolmore sends him any mares at all.

Both of them are only one generation removed from Galileo, so they’re fighting for the same small pool of Coolmore mares that aren’t Galileo daughters, since we know all the Galileos are going to Justify and Wootten Bassett. We all know they don’t support their own new stallions unless it’s a bonafide superstar, and even then they only send a handful of mares. The only exceptions being both Triple Crown winners.

I really think Auguste Rodin has cooked the chances of us seeing any more Coolmore stars race on at four.
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Northport wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:28 pm
Flanders wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:21 pm
brunanas wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:33 am

who do you guys think Coolmore will support more? City of Troy or Auguste Rodin?
City of Troy. When O'Brien said COT was getting first choice of races, to me that meant he is who Coolmore is focusing on. Auguste Rodin losing most of his races this year, didn't gain any support from Coolmore. And actually probably will make them rethink ever running a horse at 4 again, that would be popular at stud. I think they are sending him to the Japan Cup because they hope he runs well and they have somewhere to sell him if he fails at stud.
All of this. City of Troy is the better horse, has more speed, and is by an in house sire that they want to make into a breed shaper. At the time of the Derby 2023, John Magnier was telling his family that August Rodin was the most important thing to happen to Coolmore in decades, now that he’s fizzled at 4 and COT has shown up, I will genuinely be surprised if Coolmore sends him any mares at all.

Both of them are only one generation removed from Galileo, so they’re fighting for the same small pool of Coolmore mares that aren’t Galileo daughters, since we know all the Galileos are going to Justify and Wootten Bassett. We all know they don’t support their own new stallions unless it’s a bonafide superstar, and even then they only send a handful of mares. The only exceptions being both Triple Crown winners.

I really think Auguste Rodin has cooked the chances of us seeing any more Coolmore stars race on at four.
You just need to add, except 12f+ horses. They don't care about rushing those to stud cause no one wants to breed to them anyway, except National Hunt.

They did say when they announced that Auguste Rodin was standing at Coolmore Ireland after the Japan Cup run that they would be supporting him but... yeah I don't know that they actually will. Maybe some lesser mares.
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Northport wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:03 am Stunning revelation: City of Troy won’t race in 2025

https://coolmore.com/farms/ireland/news ... b4m58H5iww

I mean, they were already advertising him on this year’s brochure, but I guess people needed a reminder.
I guess the announcement settled the question of whether he was going to stand in Ireland or Kentucky. Ireland got the nod.
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Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:59 pm

But...what if CoT wins the BC Classic? Would they reconsider his destination, and maybe send him to Ashford instead?
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Provocateur (Into Mischief x Cayala) received zero support at stud in NY and has returned to training.
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:59 pm But...what if CoT wins the BC Classic? Would they reconsider his destination, and maybe send him to Ashford instead?
No, he is standing in Ireland his first year. I suppose its possible he could go to Ashford his 2nd year like they did with Giant's Causeway and Declaration of War, who both ran well in the Classic. But the whole Coolmore team has spent the entire year, hyping him up to the European breeders saying he is the best O'Brien ever trained, blah blah blah. Saying how Coolmore is going to back him, if they want European breeders to back him with their best mares, they can't be bailing out and sending him to America year 2.

There are other reasons why I think he wont come to the US. Justify is super popular everywhere, they want one of his sons in Ireland and CoT will definitely shuttle to Australia. Their most important goal right now is to find that Galileo replacement. They have some nice stallions in Ireland but they don't have a challenging for the top sire and that is who they are looking for now. If he runs well in the Classic maybe people ship their mares over to be covered in Ireland, like some did with Giant's Causeway.
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Flanders wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:00 pm
Northport wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:28 pm
Flanders wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:21 pm

City of Troy. When O'Brien said COT was getting first choice of races, to me that meant he is who Coolmore is focusing on. Auguste Rodin losing most of his races this year, didn't gain any support from Coolmore. And actually probably will make them rethink ever running a horse at 4 again, that would be popular at stud. I think they are sending him to the Japan Cup because they hope he runs well and they have somewhere to sell him if he fails at stud.
All of this. City of Troy is the better horse, has more speed, and is by an in house sire that they want to make into a breed shaper. At the time of the Derby 2023, John Magnier was telling his family that August Rodin was the most important thing to happen to Coolmore in decades, now that he’s fizzled at 4 and COT has shown up, I will genuinely be surprised if Coolmore sends him any mares at all.

Both of them are only one generation removed from Galileo, so they’re fighting for the same small pool of Coolmore mares that aren’t Galileo daughters, since we know all the Galileos are going to Justify and Wootten Bassett. We all know they don’t support their own new stallions unless it’s a bonafide superstar, and even then they only send a handful of mares. The only exceptions being both Triple Crown winners.

I really think Auguste Rodin has cooked the chances of us seeing any more Coolmore stars race on at four.
You just need to add, except 12f+ horses. They don't care about rushing those to stud cause no one wants to breed to them anyway, except National Hunt.

They did say when they announced that Auguste Rodin was standing at Coolmore Ireland after the Japan Cup run that they would be supporting him but... yeah I don't know that they actually will. Maybe some lesser mares.
Sorry, yes yes, any classic winning 8-12f Coolmore colt will all magically have “nothing left to prove” by November of their three year old year.

Anything that was in the starting gate for the St Leger will keep on trucking, or be sold to Lloyd Williams.
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Gufo is listed on Darby Dan's website, someone PLEASE tell me that beautiful boy is coming to Kentucky!
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Nenikikamen23 wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:36 am Gufo is listed on Darby Dan's website, someone PLEASE tell me that beautiful boy is coming to Kentucky!
Yep! I was told he was already there when I visited the recent Tuesday. Was in quarantine at the time
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Northport wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:38 pm
Flanders wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:00 pm
Northport wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:28 pm

All of this. City of Troy is the better horse, has more speed, and is by an in house sire that they want to make into a breed shaper. At the time of the Derby 2023, John Magnier was telling his family that August Rodin was the most important thing to happen to Coolmore in decades, now that he’s fizzled at 4 and COT has shown up, I will genuinely be surprised if Coolmore sends him any mares at all.

Both of them are only one generation removed from Galileo, so they’re fighting for the same small pool of Coolmore mares that aren’t Galileo daughters, since we know all the Galileos are going to Justify and Wootten Bassett. We all know they don’t support their own new stallions unless it’s a bonafide superstar, and even then they only send a handful of mares. The only exceptions being both Triple Crown winners.

I really think Auguste Rodin has cooked the chances of us seeing any more Coolmore stars race on at four.
You just need to add, except 12f+ horses. They don't care about rushing those to stud cause no one wants to breed to them anyway, except National Hunt.

They did say when they announced that Auguste Rodin was standing at Coolmore Ireland after the Japan Cup run that they would be supporting him but... yeah I don't know that they actually will. Maybe some lesser mares.
Sorry, yes yes, any classic winning 8-12f Coolmore colt will all magically have “nothing left to prove” by November of their three year old year.

Anything that was in the starting gate for the St Leger will keep on trucking, or be sold to Lloyd Williams.
Do we know if they are keeping Sierra Leone in training next year?
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CoronadosQuest wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:38 pm
Northport wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:38 pm
Flanders wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:00 pm

You just need to add, except 12f+ horses. They don't care about rushing those to stud cause no one wants to breed to them anyway, except National Hunt.

They did say when they announced that Auguste Rodin was standing at Coolmore Ireland after the Japan Cup run that they would be supporting him but... yeah I don't know that they actually will. Maybe some lesser mares.
Sorry, yes yes, any classic winning 8-12f Coolmore colt will all magically have “nothing left to prove” by November of their three year old year.

Anything that was in the starting gate for the St Leger will keep on trucking, or be sold to Lloyd Williams.
Do we know if they are keeping Sierra Leone in training next year?
They haven't said. I would be shocked if they kept him in training. Everything should be coming out soon though, stud fees, roster announcements, etc. They usually like them to be known before the Breeders Cup so that prospective breeders can look at stallions while they are in town for the November sales.
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CoronadosQuest wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:38 pm
Northport wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:38 pm
Flanders wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:00 pm

You just need to add, except 12f+ horses. They don't care about rushing those to stud cause no one wants to breed to them anyway, except National Hunt.

They did say when they announced that Auguste Rodin was standing at Coolmore Ireland after the Japan Cup run that they would be supporting him but... yeah I don't know that they actually will. Maybe some lesser mares.
Sorry, yes yes, any classic winning 8-12f Coolmore colt will all magically have “nothing left to prove” by November of their three year old year.

Anything that was in the starting gate for the St Leger will keep on trucking, or be sold to Lloyd Williams.
Do we know if they are keeping Sierra Leone in training next year?
To me, he still has a lot left to prove, and a lot of maturing to mentally as a racehorse. I really think he could be a great older horse.

But to Coolmore, he has won his G1, cost a fortune, and is by one of the most exciting young sires on the planet. They can have 200-250 mares booked to him for $40,000 next year. And, again, we have Auguste Rodin surely making them second guess keeping anything commercially appealing in training at 4.

I don’t think he will win the BC classic, but if he does, then we have a guaranteed answer.
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