2024 Matings

tachyon · Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:01 am

BaroqueAgain1 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:10 pm Wow..the bloom is really off the rose for Harbinger and Poetic Flare.
If Shadai were Winstar, we would probably be speculating when they were going to be sold on to Korea or Turkey.

Both Harbinger(GB) and Poetic Flare(USA) had been quoted as ''private'' prior to the 2024 breeding season.
So those small numbers for the two are not surprising.
Poetic Flare's breeding record suggests that he has a serious fertility issue.
But I don't know exactly why Harbinger has been put in a semi-retirement status so early even if he is already 18 and a decline in his fertility rate has been rumored.
I feel that Harbinger is a very underrated stallion and hope, if he is still sound, Shadai will give him some more chances.
This year he has sired his first Classic winner in Cervinia(JPN), the Japanese Oaks winner, in May.
He is a very rare European stallion who has made success in the Japanese breeding.

Slewfan2 · Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:05 am

tachyon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:01 am
BaroqueAgain1 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:10 pm Wow..the bloom is really off the rose for Harbinger and Poetic Flare.
If Shadai were Winstar, we would probably be speculating when they were going to be sold on to Korea or Turkey.
Both Harbinger(GB) and Poetic Flare(USA) had been quoted as ''private'' prior to the 2024 breeding season.
So those small numbers for the two are not surprising.
Poetic Flare's breeding record suggests that he has a serious fertility issue.
But I don't know exactly why Harbinger has been put in a semi-retirement status so early even if he is already 18 and a decline in his fertility rate has been rumored.
I feel that Harbinger is a very underrated stallion and hope, if he is still sound, Shadai will give him some more chances.
This year he has sired his first Classic winner in Cervinia(JPN), the Japanese Oaks winner, in May.
He is a very rare European stallion who has made success in the Japanese breeding.

How has Honor Code been received?

Thanks!

Flanders · Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:28 am

Essential Quality wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 12:27 am -----------------------------------------------------
Does anybody have a way to see European/Japan based mares and what horse they were bred to? I have a list of quite a few who I know retired last year/January of this year. If there are let me know pls! Or if someone has a way and wanna go through the torture this is the list

Right now, these are the only Justify daughters registered as broodmares in Japan. They do not have their covers entered yet. I believe its late November or early December when they tend to show up, though I'm not 100%. There will be mares that are listed on here when it goes live and you can check then. If you want to bookmark the page to check, I will include a link to Justify broodmares in Japan. This page has to be used in Japanese, while they do have an English version it doesn't show covers. So if you use Google Translate, the names sometimes might translate a little off, on each mare's page it will have 2 tabs you'll want to check under Breeding Information when its added.

https://www.studbook.jp/users/ja/Search ... 14&kubun=2

As far as I know, the only way to get the UK/Irish covers is to pay for Wetherbys Return of Mares 2024, which isn't out yet. Last year it was £69.00 and was sold in their online shop. If the mares are elsewhere in Europe, I have no clue.

tachyon · Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:55 am

ForTheThrill wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 8:58 am That's a massive drop for Mind Your Biscuits. Sheesh.

The numbers for Mind Your Biscuits have been quite bumpy since his stud debut at Shadai in 2019.

2019: 155
2020: 141
2021: 95
2022: 110
2023: 211
2024: 79

Mind Your Biscuits(USA) was crowned the JRA Champion First-Season Sire in 2022 and his number of mares rocketed up to 211 in the following year.
Derma Sotogake’s UAE Derby victory in the mid of the 2023 covering season must have added to his popularity.
I guess that this year's big decline was a sort of rebound as he didn't have any better news than Derma Sotogake prior to the 2024 breeding season domestically.
I can’t predict his next year's number, but good news for him could be that he sired his first JRA graded winner in Ho O Biscuits going 2000m turf in July this year.
And his full brother was sold at a good price in this year's JRHA Select Sale in July, too.

Let's see what Derma Sotogake and Ho O Biscuits do this Autumn, too.

tachyon · Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:29 am

Slewfan2 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:05 am
How has Honor Code been received?

Thanks!

From what I see here and there, he has been well-received.
Yushun Stallion will release their official numbers a bit later.

Slewfan2 · Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:44 am

tachyon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:29 am
Slewfan2 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:05 am
How has Honor Code been received?

Thanks!
From what I see here and there, he has been well-received.
Yushun Stallion will release their official numbers a bit later.

Thank you !

I’m so glad to hear that - I’m excited to see how he does in Japan with a real chance

tachyon · Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:38 am

Number of mares bred in Japan 2024

-- Darley Japan

Stallion Name -- (stallion's stallion) -- number of mares bred in 2024 -- (number of mares bred in 2023)

Adayar(IRE) (Frankel) 69 new
American Patriot(USA) (War Front) 68 (130)
Fine Needle(JPN) (Admire Moon) 61 (62)
Furioso(JPN) (Brian's Time) 0 (32)
Hawkbill(USA) (Kitten's Joy) 1 (47)
Hukum(IRE) (Sea The Stars) 58 new
Palace Malice(USA) (Curlin) 262 new
Pyro(USA) (Pulpit) 74 (70)
Talismanic(GB) (Medaglia d'Oro) 56 (71)
Thunder Snow(IRE) (Helmet) 45 (145)
Tower of London(JPN) (Raven's Pass) 172 (133)
Will Take Charge(USA) (Unbridled's Song) 86 (174)
Yoshida(JPN) (Heart's Cry) 131 new

brunanas · Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:22 am

could Furioso have been pensioned?

Mylute · Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:49 am

tachyon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:38 am Number of mares bred in Japan 2024

Hawkbill(USA) (Kitten's Joy) 1 (47)

That's a "big oof" as the kids say.

It's hard to gauge the success of dirt-based sires and the less "flashy" turf sires in Japan. Where is the best way to see a sires list of stakes performers within both (or all) circuits in Japan?

Does Hawkbill have foals of racing age yet? I think he's been retired for a while.

brunanas · Thu Sep 05, 2024 9:02 am

Mylute wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:49 am
tachyon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:38 am Number of mares bred in Japan 2024

Hawkbill(USA) (Kitten's Joy) 1 (47)
That's a "big oof" as the kids say.

It's hard to gauge the success of dirt-based sires and the less "flashy" turf sires in Japan. Where is the best way to see a sires list of stakes performers within both (or all) circuits in Japan?

Does Hawkbill have foals of racing age yet? I think he's been retired for a while.

his first crop are 3yos, he has had 67 total starters and 15 winners.

tachyon · Thu Sep 05, 2024 9:45 am

brunanas wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:22 am could Furioso have been pensioned?

He is said to have been suspended from duty for this year.
The 20yo may still be back in business next year.

tachyon · Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:54 am

brunanas wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 9:02 am
Mylute wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:49 am
tachyon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:38 am Number of mares bred in Japan 2024

Hawkbill(USA) (Kitten's Joy) 1 (47)
That's a "big oof" as the kids say.

It's hard to gauge the success of dirt-based sires and the less "flashy" turf sires in Japan. Where is the best way to see a sires list of stakes performers within both (or all) circuits in Japan?

Does Hawkbill have foals of racing age yet? I think he's been retired for a while.
his first crop are 3yos, he has had 67 total starters and 15 winners.

1. JBIS must be the most helpful source to find out the stallion's stats for the total of JRA and NAR in English.

https://www.jbis.jp/horse/0001289896/sire/generation/

2. Netkeiba must be the most helpful source to find out the stallion's stats for JRA only in English.

https://en.netkeiba.com/db/horse/sire_d ... e=1&type=0 (year)
or
https://en.netkeiba.com/db/horse/sire_d ... e=2&type=0 (year by crop)

In JRA, Hawkbill has had 43 starters and 4 winners to date.

Northport · Thu Sep 05, 2024 5:45 pm

tachyon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:38 am Number of mares bred in Japan 2024

-- Darley Japan

Stallion Name -- (stallion's stallion) -- number of mares bred in 2024 -- (number of mares bred in 2023)

Adayar(IRE) (Frankel) 69 new
American Patriot(USA) (War Front) 68 (130)
Fine Needle(JPN) (Admire Moon) 61 (62)
Furioso(JPN) (Brian's Time) 0 (32)
Hawkbill(USA) (Kitten's Joy) 1 (47)
Hukum(IRE) (Sea The Stars) 58 new
Palace Malice(USA) (Curlin) 262 new
Pyro(USA) (Pulpit) 74 (70)
Talismanic(GB) (Medaglia d'Oro) 56 (71)
Thunder Snow(IRE) (Helmet) 45 (145)
Tower of London(JPN) (Raven's Pass) 172 (133)
Will Take Charge(USA) (Unbridled's Song) 86 (174)
Yoshida(JPN) (Heart's Cry) 131 new

Surprised there wasnt more love for the 12f sons of Frankel and Sea the Stars. Wouldve thought Japanese breeders would like to tap into those sirelines.

tachyon · Fri Sep 06, 2024 7:40 pm

Northport wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 5:45 pm
tachyon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:38 am Number of mares bred in Japan 2024

-- Darley Japan

Stallion Name -- (stallion's stallion) -- number of mares bred in 2024 -- (number of mares bred in 2023)

Adayar(IRE) (Frankel) 69 new
American Patriot(USA) (War Front) 68 (130)
Fine Needle(JPN) (Admire Moon) 61 (62)
Furioso(JPN) (Brian's Time) 0 (32)
Hawkbill(USA) (Kitten's Joy) 1 (47)
Hukum(IRE) (Sea The Stars) 58 new
Palace Malice(USA) (Curlin) 262 new
Pyro(USA) (Pulpit) 74 (70)
Talismanic(GB) (Medaglia d'Oro) 56 (71)
Thunder Snow(IRE) (Helmet) 45 (145)
Tower of London(JPN) (Raven's Pass) 172 (133)
Will Take Charge(USA) (Unbridled's Song) 86 (174)
Yoshida(JPN) (Heart's Cry) 131 new
Surprised there wasnt more love for the 12f sons of Frankel and Sea the Stars. Wouldve thought Japanese breeders would like to tap into those sirelines.

It looks like Japanese breeders remain unenthusiastic about European stayers...
That's probably because they don't know if European 12F horses are sharp enough to compete with Japanese horses on a quick turf in JRA.
None of European horses has finished in the money in the Japan Cup over the past 17 years and the latest European winner Alkaased(USA) in 2005 was by Kingmambo(USA).

But I'm still curious to see the number of mares covered by Westover(GB)(Frankel) at Yushun Stallion Station.
I look for a better number with him...

Alywow · Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:08 pm

Would someone be willing to check who these mares from the family of Bel Air Beauty were bred to this year?
Sky Dweller (Orb/Bel Air Beauty)
Designer Ready (Tapit/Bel Air Beauty)
True Royalty (Yes It's True/High Wire)
Judy With Grace (Bernardini/Screaming Skylar)
Honor That (Honor Code/Awe That)
Goldwork (Outwork/Gold Anklet)
Great Neck (Tapizar/Gold Anklet)

Thanks!

Flanders · Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:25 pm

Alywow wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:08 pm Would someone be willing to check who these mares from the family of Bel Air Beauty were bred to this year?

Thanks!

Sky Dweller (Orb/Bel Air Beauty) - Jimmy Creed
Designer Ready (Tapit/Bel Air Beauty) - unfortunately has a death report for 2024
True Royalty (Yes It's True/High Wire) - Elite Power
Judy With Grace (Bernardini/Screaming Skylar) - Clubhouse Ride
Honor That (Honor Code/Awe That) - Pinehurst
Goldwork (Outwork/Gold Anklet) - Frosted
Great Neck (Tapizar/Gold Anklet) - Pappacap

Alywow · Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:28 pm

Flanders wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:25 pm
Alywow wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:08 pm Would someone be willing to check who these mares from the family of Bel Air Beauty were bred to this year?

Thanks!
Sky Dweller (Orb/Bel Air Beauty) - Jimmy Creed
Designer Ready (Tapit/Bel Air Beauty) - unfortunately has a death report for 2024
True Royalty (Yes It's True/High Wire) - Elite Power
Judy With Grace (Bernardini/Screaming Skylar) - Clubhouse Ride
Honor That (Honor Code/Awe That) - Pinehurst
Goldwork (Outwork/Gold Anklet) - Frosted
Great Neck (Tapizar/Gold Anklet) - Pappacap

Thank you Flanders!

mariasmon · Mon Sep 09, 2024 1:12 pm

Amalfi Queen (o/o Lady of Fifty) → Ironwood
Ancient Secret → Solomini
Carella (½ to Bernardini) → Pappacap
Cat On a Tin Roof (full to Cannonball) → Pappacap
Cheerforlute (o/o Silverbulletday) → Carpe Diem
Dothraki Queen → Stay Thirsty
Fanticola → Star Guitar
Flautist (o/o Flute) → Pappacap
Heath (½ to Lea) → Dads Caps
Honor That (½ to Bel Air Beauty) → Pinehurst
Humoristica (o/o Halfbridled) → Tunwoo
Kay Two (o/o Snow Top Mountain) → Pappacap
Kohili (o/o Desert Stormer) → Orthodox
Lost Bus → Stay Thirsty
Noble and a Beauty → Stay Thirsty
Olorda (GER) → Oscar Performance
Prose (IRE) (o/o Naples Bay) → Pappacap
Tapitry (GSP, o/o My Trusty Cat) → Pappacap
Tell Me Now (IRE) (family of Mozu Ascot, India, Pilfer) → Core Beliefs

tachyon · Tue Sep 10, 2024 7:33 am

Number of mares bred in Japan 2024

-- Breeders Stallion Station

Stallion Name -- (stallion's stallion) -- number of mares bred in 2024 -- (number of mares bred in 2023)

Al Ain(JPN) (Deep Impact) 38 (101)
Black Tide(JPN) (Sunday Silence) 7 (7)
Cheval Grand(JPN) (Heart's Cry) 24 (74)
Copano Ricky(JPN) (Gold Allure) 74 (78)
Danon Smash(JPN) (Lord Kanaloa) 97 (128)
Fierement(JPN) (Deep Impact) 70 (86)
Four Wheel Drive(USA) (American Pharoah) 73 (83)
Glory Vase(JPN) (Deep Impact) 47 (51)
Greater London(JPN) (Deep Impact) 92 (119)
Just a Way(JPN) (Heart's Cry) 69 (80)
Kiseki(JPN) (King Kamehameha) 56 (81)
Leontes(JPN) (King Kamehameha) 86 (78)
Lovely Day(JPN) (King Kamehameha) 17 (34)
Matera Sky(USA) (Speightstown) 95 (134)
Pixie Knight(JPN) (Maurice) 125 new
Real Steel(JPN) (Deep Impact) 187 (118)
Saint Alex(USA) (Afleet Alex) 1 (0 )
Satono Aladdin(JPN) (Deep Impact) 35 (45)
Satono Diamond(JPN) (Deep Impact) 52 (58)

tachyon · Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:40 am

Slewfan2 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:44 am
tachyon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:29 am
Slewfan2 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:05 am
How has Honor Code been received?

Thanks!
From what I see here and there, he has been well-received.
Yushun Stallion will release their official numbers a bit later.
Thank you !

I’m so glad to hear that - I’m excited to see how he does in Japan with a real chance

You are welcome!
Yushun Stallion Station has released their numbers today.
Honor Code(USA) covered 152 mares.