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Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:12 pm

3x2 isn't unusual in some breeds--it used to be common in Arabians although I haven't followed the breed for decades. The idea is that you will "fix" a desirable gene by doubling up on it. Of course you can also be doubling up on something undesirable so sometimes it really works, and sometimes it really doesn't.
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every time this forum gets horrified at close inbreeding (i too get horrified) i can't not think about this HOF multiple champion and "superior sire" Shetland pony.

https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/michigans+hart+breaker
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brunanas wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:16 pm every time this forum gets horrified at close inbreeding (i too get horrified) i can't not think about this HOF multiple champion and "superior sire" Shetland pony.

https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/michigans+hart+breaker
How about this colt - he doesn't really look questionable, but his pedigree does:

https://www.pedigreequery.com/incredible22

The German breeder owned both, sire and dam. The colt looked pretty normal but was very slow. He ran a couple of times as a 4yo and finished last or second last most of the time. After that he was gelded and sold as a riding horse. The inbreeding experiment was not retried. A half brother by Masterstroke (Monsun) is a sire in German Sport Horse breeding.

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Ketama wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 7:12 pm
brunanas wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:16 pm every time this forum gets horrified at close inbreeding (i too get horrified) i can't not think about this HOF multiple champion and "superior sire" Shetland pony.

https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/michigans+hart+breaker
How about this colt - he doesn't really look questionable, but his pedigree does:

https://www.pedigreequery.com/incredible22

The German breeder owned both, sire and dam. The colt looked pretty normal but was very slow. He ran a couple of times as a 4yo and finished last or second last most of the time. After that he was gelded and sold as a riding horse. The inbreeding experiment was not retried. A half brother by Masterstroke (Monsun) is a sire in German Sport Horse breeding.

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he's Incredible for sure.
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The great French breeder Marcel Boussac practiced a good deal of inbreeding and had a notable amount of success for a time but started with very high-quality stock. He also observed that with close inbreeding, you can fix desirable traits rapidly, but you have to shoot more foals. Eventually, between the deaths of his core stallions and failure to cull his broodmare band of an ever-increasing number of inbred mares that were too unsound to race or win, he was forced to seek potential outcross sires; unfortunately, his acquisitions of Whirlaway, Coaltown, Fervent, and Iron Liege from Calumet Farm all failed to provide what he needed, as Whirlaway died not too long afterward and the other three were stud failures. He probably needed to start looking for a good outcross at least 10 or 15 years before he actually did.

As I recall, the most notable examples of inbreeding among Boussac's horses were the full sisters Coronation V and Ormara, by two-time French champion and four-time French champion sire Djebel (Tourbillon x Loika) out of 1942 Poule d'Essai des Pouliches (French One Thousand Guineas) winner Esmeralda (Tourbillon x Sanaa). Adding to the inbreeding, Loika and Sanaa were both granddaughters of Teddy, the French champion sire of 1923 and a champion racehorse in France and Spain. Tourbillon won the 1931 Prix du Jockey Club (French Derby) and was a three-time French champion sire, so the overall quality of the pedigree was quite high. At any rate, Coronation V was a very high-quality race mare whose record includes the 1949 Poule d'Essai des Pouliches and Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe, but she proved completely barren. Her sister Ormara was useless for racing but produced Locris, a high-class miler in France and a champion sire in Brazil. Go figure.
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stelladaniella wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:23 pm I'm not sure if this completely belongs here, but something about this ones head made me question if I was browsing tb's or arabians.

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Gemini wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:20 pm This is an….interesting thread. Half these yearlings look ok to me. I’m sure if we saw photos of NFL players when they were in 7th grade, we wouldn’t find much to recommend them either.
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Lots of thoroughbreds have heads that look more like a traditional Arabian's, but I would say heads that are that "dished" or "dishy" (lol) aren't that common. Thoroughbreds can also have Roman profiles.

Occasionally you can find these traits in other breeds, but the Arabian (and Akhal Teke) is a very common ancestor for a lot of breeds.

Specifically I remember seeing pictures of G1W Seeking the Soul where it looks like his profile is slightly Arabian in appearance.
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My favorite thoroughbred head will always be Madcap Escapade. She had such a cute refined face.
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the 2 September Keeneland yearlings mentioned here went for $1,200,000 (Nyquists' lil sister) and the other was withdrawn.
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there are a lot of fuglies but these are my personal favorites.

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brunanas wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 1:01 pm there are a lot of fuglies but these are my personal favorites.

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Wow that last colt is probably one of the most butt high yearlings I've seen in a bit. I wonder what he will look like ones he stops growing and evens out
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Okay but they didnt give the City of Light a hope with her stood up like that. Her hind legs are a foot closer to the camera than her front legs. Like yeah she’s over at the knee and all but give the girl a chance!
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brunanas wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 1:01 pm there are a lot of fuglies but these are my personal favorites.

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The I/M one has a very cute head. I love when it kinda goes outwards like that - just hope it's not a sign of sickness or such.
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:36 pm

these obviously aren't yearlings neither TBs but i've been getting a bunch of match racing QHs in my Instagram feed lately so y'all too should be cursed.

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that front leg is so crooked it's like they took a last photo of a horse with a broken leg before shooting it

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brunanas wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:36 pm these obviously aren't yearlings neither TBs but i've been getting a bunch of match racing QHs in my Instagram feed lately so y'all too should be cursed.

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this was on a stallion ad

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that front leg is so crooked it's like they took a last photo of a horse with a broken leg before shooting it

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Wonky looking as they are at least they still look better then halter bred Quarter Horses
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Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:17 am

Errm...is this guy a giraffe or a wrestler taking too many 'roids? He has a decent extended family.
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Someone explain to me what is really wrong with that colt...because he doesn't look that bad to me. His neck is an elegant length, not giraffe-sized. And for a colt who will be a 2yo in a few months, he doesn't look that thick.
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ImageHip #197 a yearling by Upstart for this year's FT Kentucky Yearlings, to me looks like it has the wrong head
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"...to me looks like it has the wrong head."

Yeah....that head would look better on a 17-hand Hanoverian. :P
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