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Flanders
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Mon Sep 02, 2024 10:41 am

But its not fair if he can't have 2/3rds of the horses in the race
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Mon Sep 02, 2024 2:09 pm

I understand Brown isn’t going to win too many popularity contests but the crux of what he’s saying is true. If I am a racing secretary and the racing association allocates 1M with the instructions to write a turf stake for fillies and mares and get it G1 status as soon as possible, I’m writing it at 9f. I’m a minimalist. If I were King of the Breeder’s Cup, I’d eliminate the F&M Turf and Sprint. Most likely the Dirt Mile. There are probably other areas of fat to trim, but that means I’d have to look them up. The best U.S. based female turf marathoner has entered the BC Turf even when the F&M version has been 11f. Without a fixed distance, the race isn’t necessary and there is no proper fixed distance for it.
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Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:30 pm

Lukas won the opener at the Spa on his 89th birthday today.
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Mon Sep 02, 2024 10:37 pm

Starine wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:30 pm Lukas won the opener at the Spa on his 89th birthday today.
Happy for him but BC Stables must be using racing as a tax write off. Spending millions with little return so far.
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Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:23 am

I do tend to agree that there is a noticeable lack of G1 turf races for females at the mile or shorter distance, but I suppose there's bigger problems to fix.
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Squeaky wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 10:37 pm
Starine wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:30 pm Lukas won the opener at the Spa on his 89th birthday today.
Happy for him but BC Stables must be using racing as a tax write off. Spending millions with little return so far.
I would not be shocked to find out that the number of prominent owners using horse racing as a tax write-off outnumbers those who are in the game trying to make a profit.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:25 pm

Mylute wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:23 am I do tend to agree that there is a noticeable lack of G1 turf races for females at the mile or shorter distance, but I suppose there's bigger problems to fix.
Designating G1 races isn’t the answer. The reason is there aren’t enough suitable horses. A race track can do things—namely purse money—to attract G1 types. When races were first graded, neither the KY Oaks or the Whitney were G1’s. Hard to fathom now. As CD promoted the Oaks outside of KY and Saratoga became a meet to target for horses other than the ages of 2&3, the fields got better and better and they were elevated. When races began being graded Del Mar had no G1’s and while many may argue it doesn’t in reality have any now, there was a peak period when the racing at Del Mar and Saratoga were very comparable.
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Tue Sep 03, 2024 2:11 pm

stark wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:56 am
Squeaky wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 10:37 pm
Starine wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:30 pm Lukas won the opener at the Spa on his 89th birthday today.
Happy for him but BC Stables must be using racing as a tax write off. Spending millions with little return so far.
I would not be shocked to find out that the number of prominent owners using horse racing as a tax write-off outnumbers those who are in the game trying to make a profit.
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Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:01 pm

stark wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:56 am
Squeaky wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 10:37 pm
Starine wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:30 pm Lukas won the opener at the Spa on his 89th birthday today.
Happy for him but BC Stables must be using racing as a tax write off. Spending millions with little return so far.
I would not be shocked to find out that the number of prominent owners using horse racing as a tax write-off outnumbers those who are in the game trying to make a profit.
Listening to Len Green’s annual appearance on Steve Byk’s show during tax season definitely points to that. It’s wild what a good accountant can dig out and write off.
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Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:37 pm

Would love to know what percent of owners show a yearly profit? Klaravich? Repole?
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Squeaky wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:37 pm Would love to know what percent of owners show a yearly profit? Klaravich? Repole?
Are you separating racing from the breeding shed?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:39 pm

stark wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:17 pm
Squeaky wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:37 pm Would love to know what percent of owners show a yearly profit? Klaravich? Repole?
Are you separating racing from the breeding shed?
I thought it was racing to the breeding shed?
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Tue Sep 10, 2024 7:43 am

One of the all-time greats is calling it a day.

Sir Michael Stoute to stop training at the end of the year

In a career spanning five decades, Stoute, 78, has trained numerous champions, including the peerless Shergar, one of six Derby winners, as well as the likes of Shareef Dancer, Zilzal and Harbinger.

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Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:56 am

HB1994 wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 7:43 am One of the all-time greats is calling it a day.

Sir Michael Stoute to stop training at the end of the year
Oh wow. Truly the end of an era.
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Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:27 pm

Back week for jockeys.
Charlie Oliveros was injured in a bad wreck at mountaineer, needed to have surgery.
Cory Orm injured yesterday in a bad wreck at Fanduel. Had surgery this morning.
Joseph Romero had a bad wreck at Indy yesterday - no updates on him or horse. Prayers to all to be safe.
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:49 am

We've all heard the stories about betting the "Other Baffert" when the opportunity presents itself, a profitable move indeed.

But now I have a question......

I've never read anything about betting the "Other Mark Casse"

Please hurry, I need to know before the 5th and 9th races at Woodbine on Saturday,

TIA.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:55 am

stark wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:49 am We've all heard the stories about betting the "Other Baffert" when the opportunity presents itself, a profitable move indeed.

But now I have a question......

I've never read anything about betting the "Other Mark Casse"

Please hurry, I need to know before the 5th and 9th races at Woodbine on Saturday,

TIA.
I think “The Other ___________” is a pretty sound move everywhere, unless it isn’t. That’s my rule.
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stark wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:49 am We've all heard the stories about betting the "Other Baffert" when the opportunity presents itself, a profitable move indeed.

But now I have a question......

I've never read anything about betting the "Other Mark Casse"

Please hurry, I need to know before the 5th and 9th races at Woodbine on Saturday,

TIA.
The other other other other other Mark Casse.
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:18 pm

Flanders wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:04 pm
stark wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:49 am We've all heard the stories about betting the "Other Baffert" when the opportunity presents itself, a profitable move indeed.

But now I have a question......

I've never read anything about betting the "Other Mark Casse"

Please hurry, I need to know before the 5th and 9th races at Woodbine on Saturday,

TIA.
The other other other other other Mark Casse.
Ain't never seen anything like it, maybe Aidan O'Brien?

As for Casse on Saturday, in the 5th race, 13 are entered and he has 8 of 'em. Oddly, he doesn't have the first or second betting favorite on the morning line.

Then in the 9th, 14 are entered and he has 7 of them. 10/1 on the morning line is his shortest price!
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:49 pm

stark wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:18 pm
Flanders wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:04 pm
stark wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:49 am We've all heard the stories about betting the "Other Baffert" when the opportunity presents itself, a profitable move indeed.

But now I have a question......

I've never read anything about betting the "Other Mark Casse"

Please hurry, I need to know before the 5th and 9th races at Woodbine on Saturday,

TIA.
The other other other other other Mark Casse.
Ain't never seen anything like it, maybe Aidan O'Brien?

As for Casse on Saturday, in the 5th race, 13 are entered and he has 8 of 'em. Oddly, he doesn't have the first or second betting favorite on the morning line.

Then in the 9th, 14 are entered and he has 7 of them. 10/1 on the morning line is his shortest price!
So is there an exchange rate in effect betting at Woodbine? Sounds like a good .10 Super box.
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