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Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:46 pm

Flanders wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 11:25 am so they admitted City of Troy doesn't care for soft ground and runs better on firmer turf. Not sure how that is going to work out for them over the rest of the season.
We know that there are many G1 turfers who can only walk and/or trail on the soft turf.
But City of Troy ran willingly at least to win this race.

I just hope that City of Troy will stay sound and contest more G1s later this year.
If he doesn't care for the soft, the ARC might be off the table anyway,
Personally I strongly hope that he will run in the BC Classic to become a true legend.
It looks like he has the pedigree.
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Sat Jul 06, 2024 11:43 pm

tachyon wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:46 pm
Flanders wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 11:25 am so they admitted City of Troy doesn't care for soft ground and runs better on firmer turf. Not sure how that is going to work out for them over the rest of the season.
We know that there are many G1 turfers who can only walk and/or trail on the soft turf.
But City of Troy ran willingly at least to win this race.

I just hope that City of Troy will stay sound and contest more G1s later this year.
If he doesn't care for the soft, the ARC might be off the table anyway,
Personally I strongly hope that he will run in the BC Classic to become a true legend.
It looks like he has the pedigree.
I don't think they had any intention of going for the Arc with him. Their planned out targets for him seem to be around 10f. Its one of those funny things that makes no sense to me. A lot of their top races are 12f but they don't want to stand at stud the horses that are 12f specialist. So since they want City of Troy to be their next big stallion, have to avoid those 12f races, one is okay, more than one isn't. Also they might be setting him up for a stud career in the US if he does well in the Classic, like they did with Giant's Causeway and Declaration of War(before they sold him). They both stood their first year in Ireland then came to the US.
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Sun Jul 07, 2024 12:01 am

Tessablue wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 11:59 am He lugged in pretty badly in the stretch. Between that, the lead changes, and what looked like a labored stride at the finish, I wouldn't be shocked if he comes out of the race with an issue. Hopefully not.

Didn't he win big on soft ground last year? I know not all soft ground is the same, but did it come up then?
I'm sure you saw in that tweet that Squeaky posted, they said the Dewhurst ground wasn't anywhere near as soft as the Coral-Eclipse. Before I saw that, I was going to say looking back at the horses that ran in the Dewhurst, the field hasn't produced much since. Only Haatem has won races since then and he finished 5th in the Dewhurst.

Who knows, maybe it was more impressive than it looked because he didn't like the ground. Or could be they are just making excuses, really never know with connections. They need to hype horses up to make breeders want to use them.
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Flanders wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 12:01 am I'm sure you saw in that tweet that Squeaky posted, they said the Dewhurst ground wasn't anywhere near as soft as the Coral-Eclipse. Before I saw that, I was going to say looking back at the horses that ran in the Dewhurst, the field hasn't produced much since. Only Haatem has won races since then and he finished 5th in the Dewhurst.

Who knows, maybe it was more impressive than it looked because he didn't like the ground. Or could be they are just making excuses, really never know with connections. They need to hype horses up to make breeders want to use them.
I actually missed it, so thank you both for providing that information! I wonder if they've sort of backed themselves into a corner with all of the hype. It's fairly common for hype to generate backlash if it isn't seen as fully justified, and I've read a lot of disappointment over his effort in completing what is normally a pretty special double. Are breeders all truly taking the PR statements at face value? The Classic has a built-in excuse, but can they afford for him to lose on turf again? Really curious to see if he ends up actually running in the Juddmonte International.
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I think it'll depend on the ground and who shows up. I looked at the track condition for the last 6 runnings, the ground has been good(good to firm in 2018) but weather is weather so that doesn't really mean anything. Also I wanted to write above but forgot, the ground doesn't explain the 2000 Guineas cause that was good.
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Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:36 am

Palladium (Gleneagles) won the German Derby (G1).

Puchkine (Starspangledbanner) won the Prix Jean Prat (G1).
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Sun Jul 07, 2024 2:56 pm

I know that Starspangledbanner had fertility issues when first retired, and was brought back briefly to race again. When retired again, his connections found ways to improve his fertility and he has turned into a fine sire. A little of his story here:
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... xt-chapter
Thank goodness the connections didn't geld him.
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Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:25 pm

Three women murdered in crossbow attack are family of BBC commentator John Hunt
https://www.racingpost.com/news/britain ... F93J6Aa0Q/

Really horrific and sad.
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Thu Jul 11, 2024 5:18 am

The scumbag has been caught

His brother is a convicted killer serving a minimum of 23 years for killing a young moped rider for damaged to his 30 grand sports car.

Hayes
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Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:00 am

i'm all for rehabbing minor criminals and all but with a guy like that i have to seriously wonder why didn't the police shoot. there's no fixing him and he's just going to sit in jail forever.
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Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:48 am

20hayes20 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 5:18 am The scumbag has been caught

His brother is a convicted killer serving a minimum of 23 years for killing a young moped rider for damaged to his 30 grand sports car.

Hayes
I just read about his now…I’m sick to my stomach

My heart goes out to John Hunt and his loved ones 💔💔💔
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Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:58 pm

The “suspect” was the ex boyfriend of one of the victims, Hannah. I’ve seen a couple times in the news this year how violence against women in the UK has been declared a “National Threat”, and how can anyone really disagree?

There’s been an ongoing discussion on tiktok/instagram that started with an influencer asking women: “if you were alone in a forest, would you rather encounter - a man or a bear?”

It really didn’t surprise any woman to see that the overwhelming response was “bear”
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Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:25 pm

the simple answer is, a bear wouldn't kill me and my sister and mom with a crossbow.
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Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:41 am

3f Porta Fortuna (Caravaggio) won the Falmouth S (G1) at Newmarket. This is her third G1 win.
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Sat Jul 13, 2024 11:47 am

Mill Stream (Gleneagles) wins the July Cup (G1). So Gleneagles has a G1 winner over 6f today and a G1 winner over 12f last week (Palladium in the German Derby).
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Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:30 pm

Sosie(IRE)(Sea the Stars) lands the G1 Grand Prix de Paris for Maxime Guyon and Andre Fabre, not only putting himself in the frame for the Arc but also flattering the French Derby winner Look de Vega(FR).
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Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:30 am

’’Ballylinch and Al Shaqab partner to buy majority interest in impressive Jockey Club winner Look De Vega’’

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Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:36 am

You Got To Me (Nathaniel) won the Irish Oaks (G1).
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HB1994 wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:36 am You Got To Me (Nathaniel) won the Irish Oaks (G1).
Fascinating name.
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Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:13 pm

Breeders’ Digest – Concerning question over German two-year-old racing
https://theownerbreeder.com/columns/bre ... ld-racing/

Following a revision of German animal welfare laws, it is now illegal to train horses younger than 30 months of age.

As far as racing is concerned, an exemption has been secured while a behavioural study on the physical and mental health on the horses in question is undertaken and analysed.

Germany already has restrictive rules on two-year-old competition; a two-year-old can race no more than six times in their first year and can only start their racing career in June of that season. It is anticipated that the exemption will run until 2027, when it is expected that the study – Project Horsewatch – will be presented to Parliament. Should the 30-month rule still be deemed appropriate, there could well be implications for other EU countries, including France and Ireland, under EU law.
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