Dream pairings / hypomatings

[Mylute]

literally any "top" USA turf mare ---> Kitten's Joy, Get Stormy, and Freud

[Katewerk]

Thanks Flanders, as always, for that explanation. And you're right.......it is pretty laughable! It's kind of like a fan with no knowledge or experience thinking that because a horse "traces back" to Man O War, that's going to make him or her a champion! Evaluating hypothetical matings based on crossing a breed-shaping stallion (and his sons and grandsons) over himself/themselves is patently absurd! If they do this just because the sample size of matings closer up is too small, then I wonder how they became so well-known, popular, and relied on. Kinda crazy!

I think its popular when there is enough of a sample size. It is just a tool though and wouldn't be the be all end all when deciding a mating. It has to incorporate further back generations because when stallions are young they have no sample size, the same with broodmare sires. And then as an example, say Mage or Arabian Lion going to stud in 2024, their sires only have 2 crops of racing age, so the sample size might not be there for them either. So then it kicks back yet another generation and that is how you end up with the Stallion + sons and grandsons. But at a point, I don't see how its useful like the Mr. Prospector example I gave. But a stallion can cross like crap with a broodmare sire but then one of his sons can be spectacular or vice versa. Nothing is a guarantee in breeding.

I went to pedigreequery.com and checked Speightstown with broodmare sires. The sample size was small to be sure, but that might be due to the fact that half were unraced and those who did run didn't do much. Same for the Street Sense mares.

https://www.pedigreequery.com/speightstown

[stelladaniella]

I really love everyones pairings!!!

Monomoy Girl --> Curlin would be pretty neat too!
Ruffian --> Swale

This brought back a memory. Back in the 90s, Thoroughbred Times print edition, because internet was very new, did a Biennial Fiction Contest where writers could submit stories focused on the thoroughbred industry. One person submitted a story about Swale and how he was supposed to be bred to the Phipps owned Squander and the breeding was going to produce a superhorse(or the sire of a superhorse, its been too long). And it was a crazy story based around time travel being invented far in the future and someone liking Swale enough to want to go back in time and take his picture. And the camera caused him to die thus changing history. They also threw in this was how Easy Goer died as well. Idk how it stuck with me this long, I guess cause I was young. It actually led me to ask at one point if they had planned on sending Squander to Swale because her resulting foal of the supposed year was Lost Opportunity but it was completely fictional. It was just a coincidence that the foal was named this and his dam is Squander so made sense.

I will say that the stories were very good for the most part and its not the only one I have memories of.

Wow, that is quite the story. I love Swale a lot. So special. Really cool that the foal from that year was named Lost Opportunity.. makes you wonder..

[stelladaniella]

literally any "top" USA turf mare ---> Kitten's Joy, Get Stormy, and Freud

I'm not very good at turf racing.. but wow, Freud is quite the looker!
Would love to see Caravel go to Caravaggio.

[Justahorse]

literally any "top" USA turf mare ---> Kitten's Joy, Get Stormy, and Freud

I'm not very good at turf racing.. but wow, Freud is quite the looker!
Would love to see Caravel go to Caravaggio.

Freud is just so handsome. I wish he had giants causeways blaze though but he's much prettier in person(blood horse photo)

[starrydreamer]

Two of my favorite late closers from different decades - Zenyatta --> Concern

Forget the fact Concern did very little at stud and was... height challenged. He'd need a step stool to mount Zenyatta.

[flytpthestars]

Seconded Dr Fager to Ruffian

Commando to La Troienne

[stelladaniella]

Two of my favorite late closers from different decades - Zenyatta --> Concern

Forget the fact Concern did very little at stud and was... height challenged. He'd need a step stool to mount Zenyatta.

Northern Dancer 2.0

[HB1994]

Landaluce —> Mr. Prospector

[Alywow]

I really love everyones pairings!!!

Monomoy Girl --> Curlin would be pretty neat too!
Ruffian --> Swale

This brought back a memory. Back in the 90s, Thoroughbred Times print edition, because internet was very new, did a Biennial Fiction Contest where writers could submit stories focused on the thoroughbred industry. One person submitted a story about Swale and how he was supposed to be bred to the Phipps owned Squander and the breeding was going to produce a superhorse(or the sire of a superhorse, its been too long). And it was a crazy story based around time travel being invented far in the future and someone liking Swale enough to want to go back in time and take his picture. And the camera caused him to die thus changing history. They also threw in this was how Easy Goer died as well. Idk how it stuck with me this long, I guess cause I was young. It actually led me to ask at one point if they had planned on sending Squander to Swale because her resulting foal of the supposed year was Lost Opportunity but it was completely fictional. It was just a coincidence that the foal was named this and his dam is Squander so made sense.

I will say that the stories were very good for the most part and its not the only one I have memories of.

I remember that story (along with my weekly Thoroughbred Times)!

[Katewerk]

Zenyatta -> Galileo

In the real world

Zilhka -> Frankel, Sea the Stars or to whatever John Gunther says to breed her to.

[Della]

Zenyatta -> Galileo

In the real world

Zilhka -> Frankel, Sea the Stars or to whatever John Gunther says to breed her to.

Glad Frankel finally got some love on this thread. And Giant's Causeway anyone?

[Squeaky]

Hypothetical heavenly breeding - Who would you like to see bred to Arrogate … ?

[BaroqueAgain1]

How about Arrogate - Kind.

[Missbeholder]

Hypothetical heavenly breeding - Who would you like to see bred to Arrogate … ?

Rachel Alexandra just popped into my head for this one. That could be one to imagine, right?

[stelladaniella]

Hypothetical heavenly breeding - Who would you like to see bred to Arrogate … ?

I would of liked to see him cover Beholder.

[Squeaky]

Hypothetical heavenly breeding - Who would you like to see bred to Arrogate … ?

I would of liked to see him cover Beholder.

Yes. That would have been one tough talented baby.

[Starine]

Who would you all like to have seen Rachel Alexandra visit?

[BaroqueAgain1]

Tapit.

[Missbeholder]

Who would you all like to have seen Rachel Alexandra visit?

I said earlier in the thread that Arrogate for Rachel might be interesting. Got no response, so maybe that wasn't a good one.