The rise of Sunday Silence

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mariasmon
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tachyon wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:59 pm
Ridan_Remembered wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:42 am Sunday Silence, Santa Anita walking ring, 1989.

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Thank you!!!! :D
Sunday Silence was such a handsome guy.
I believe that he ran three races at Santa Anita in 1989 -- ALW (March 2nd), San Felipe (March 19th) and Santa Anita Derby (April 8th)
Do you know when this photo was taken?
That photo was taken at Belmont during Belmont Stakes week.
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mariasmon wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 11:14 pm
tachyon wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:59 pm
Ridan_Remembered wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:42 am Sunday Silence, Santa Anita walking ring, 1989.

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Thank you!!!! :D
Sunday Silence was such a handsome guy.
I believe that he ran three races at Santa Anita in 1989 -- ALW (March 2nd), San Felipe (March 19th) and Santa Anita Derby (April 8th)
Do you know when this photo was taken?
That photo was taken at Belmont during Belmont Stakes week.
Thank you!! :D
That makes sense.
I was wondering why his handler held a #7 tag in this picture.
Sunday Silence started from #7 post in the 1989 Belmont Stakes.

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tachyon wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:06 am
mariasmon wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 11:14 pm
tachyon wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:59 pm
Thank you!!!! :D
Sunday Silence was such a handsome guy.
I believe that he ran three races at Santa Anita in 1989 -- ALW (March 2nd), San Felipe (March 19th) and Santa Anita Derby (April 8th)
Do you know when this photo was taken?
That photo was taken at Belmont during Belmont Stakes week.
Thank you!! :D
That makes sense.
I was wondering why his handler held a #7 tag in this picture.
Sunday Silence started from #7 post in the 1989 Belmont Stakes.

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Yes, I think it was likely taken on Belmont S. day, but I don't know for sure.
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Some clips of 30yo Ishino Sunday. I like his tactic in the first video, approach slowly and try to attack fast.

https://twitter.com/yusas/status/1682531985837944832
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Flanders wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:17 am Some clips of 30yo Ishino Sunday. I like his tactic in the first video, approach slowly and try to attack fast.

https://twitter.com/yusas/status/1682531985837944832
:lol:
Ishino Sunday is always a good looking horse!! 8-)
Of Sunday Silence's second crop, Ishino Sunday was called one of Sunday's ''Big Four'' along with Royal Touch, Dance in the Dark and Bubble Gum Fellow.

-- replay of the Satsuki Sho (Japanese 2000 Guineas) in 1996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcV867lCwvo
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tachyon wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:39 am
Flanders wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:17 am Some clips of 30yo Ishino Sunday. I like his tactic in the first video, approach slowly and try to attack fast.

https://twitter.com/yusas/status/1682531985837944832
:lol:
Ishino Sunday is always a good looking horse!! 8-)
Of Sunday Silence's second crop, Ishino Sunday was called one of Sunday's ''Big Four'' along with Royal Touch, Dance in the Dark and Bubble Gum Fellow.

-- replay of the Satsuki Sho (Japanese 2000 Guineas) in 1996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcV867lCwvo
Bubble Gum Fellow! There's a name I haven't heard in ages.
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Starine wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:03 pm
tachyon wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:39 am
Flanders wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:17 am Some clips of 30yo Ishino Sunday. I like his tactic in the first video, approach slowly and try to attack fast.

https://twitter.com/yusas/status/1682531985837944832
:lol:
Ishino Sunday is always a good looking horse!! 8-)
Of Sunday Silence's second crop, Ishino Sunday was called one of Sunday's ''Big Four'' along with Royal Touch, Dance in the Dark and Bubble Gum Fellow.

-- replay of the Satsuki Sho (Japanese 2000 Guineas) in 1996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcV867lCwvo
Bubble Gum Fellow! There's a name I haven't heard in ages.
He was the first 3yo in history to win the G1 Tenno Sho Autumn 2000m turf 3yos&up, beating such strong older rivals as Mayano Top Gun, Sakura Laurel and Marvelous Sunday!!!!!!!
There have only been four horses to achieve the feat until now.

Bubble Gum Fellow(JPN)(Sunday Silence) in 1996
Symboli Kris S(USA)(Kris S) in 2002
Efforia(JPN)(Epiphaneia) in 2021
Equinox(JPN)(Kitasan Black) in 2022

-- replay of the 1996 Tenno Sho Autumn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnjLCRHEd8o

-- chart
https://www.jbis.jp/race/result/1996102 ... LjM1LjAuMA..

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Bubble Gum Fellow(JPN), 1993H. Sunday Silence(USA) x Bubble Company(FR) by Lyphard(USA), passed away at Breeders Stallion Station where he had been standing in 2010.
His dam Bubble Company was a 1/2 sister to Candy Stripes(USA).
https://www.jbis.jp/horse/0000274914/
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tachyon wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:47 am There have only been four horses to achieve the feat until now.

Bubble Gum Fellow(JPN)(Sunday Silence) in 1996
Symboli Kris S(USA)(Kris S) in 2002
Efforia(JPN)(Epiphaneia) in 2021
Equinox(JPN)(Kitasan Black) in 2022
Thanks for that trip down memory lane! That's storied company indeed.
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Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:21 pm

If Sunday silence wasn't sold to Japan would he still have been a super star stallion?
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Justahorse wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:21 pm If Sunday silence wasn't sold to Japan would he still have been a super star stallion?
Are you really as ignorant as that question made you sound? Unbelievable!
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Missbeholder wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:35 pm
Justahorse wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:21 pm If Sunday silence wasn't sold to Japan would he still have been a super star stallion?
Are you really as ignorant as that question made you sound? Unbelievable!
? It's a actual question lol 😆. I don't think he would have been given quality mares to breed. Nor would he have stayed around long here in the states.
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So...you already knew the answer, but asked anyway? :roll:
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I wanted other opinions lol
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Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:28 am

Have you guys ever checked out Sunday Silence's lifetime AEI-to-CPI (= Average earning index to Comparable index ratio) by yourselves before drawing your conclusion?

Sunday Silence was a super stallion who managed to sire classy runners even with ordinary broodmares.
His lifetime AEI/CPI was exceptionally (unprecedentedly) high.
You can calculate his AEI/CPI with the information on JBIS.
https://www.jbis.jp/horse/0000333862/sire/generation/

His lifetime AEI/CPI was 4.94/2.13 = 2.32

I personally suspect that he could be successful in the US even if he could NOT have covered top mares in his debut years at stud in the US.
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Starine wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:49 pm
tachyon wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:47 am There have only been four horses to achieve the feat until now.

Bubble Gum Fellow(JPN)(Sunday Silence) in 1996
Symboli Kris S(USA)(Kris S) in 2002
Efforia(JPN)(Epiphaneia) in 2021
Equinox(JPN)(Kitasan Black) in 2022
Thanks for that trip down memory lane! That's storied company indeed.
And Symboli Kris S, Efforia and Equinox went on to win the Horse of the Year title, respectively, after winning the Tenno Sho Autumn at 3 in those years!! 8-)
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I've just noticed the similarity of the four horses from the Sunday Silence sire-line below --- in white marks in their right hind legs!

Sunday Silence --> Black Tide --> Kitasan Black --> Equinox

Sunday Silence(USA)(Halo)
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Black Tide(JPN)(Sunday Silence)
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Kitasan Black(JPN)(Black Tide)
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Equinox(JPN)(Kitasan Black)
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Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:21 pm

Martinborough (JPN) (Deep Impact) daughter Elusive Princess takes the G3 Saratoga Oaks!

Elusive Princess proves must the best in rainy Saratoga Oaks
https://www.drf.com/news/elusive-prince ... atoga-oaks
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Starine wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:21 pm Martinborough (JPN) (Deep Impact) daughter Elusive Princess takes the G3 Saratoga Oaks!

Elusive Princess proves must the best in rainy Saratoga Oaks
https://www.drf.com/news/elusive-prince ... atoga-oaks
Thanks for the heads-up!!
Martinborough stands at Haras de Grandcamp, France.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AredR-LZHxA

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Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:47 am

Agnes Gold(JPN)(Sunday Silence) sired two G1 winners on Saturday!

in Argentina,
Neverwalkalone(BRZ), 2020F. Agnes Gold(JPN) x Zafira(BRZ) by Redattore(BRZ), won the G1 Gran Premio Mil Guineas 1600m turf at San Isidro on August 5th 2023.

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-- replay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z-1FWAaGuA
1st. Neverwalkalone(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)
2nd. No Fear(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)

Agnes Gold one-two!!


in Brazil,
Doutor Sureno(BRZ), 2018H. Agnes Gold(JPN) x Notavel Surena(BRZ) by Redattore(BRZ), won the G1 Grande Premio Matias Machline 2000m turf at Cidade Jardim on August 5th 2023.

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-- replay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4_JrgmdzxA
1st. Doutor Sureno(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)
2nd. Maximum Drive(BRZ)(Hat Trick)
3rd. Online(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)

Sunday Silence grandsons one-two-three!!!
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Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:26 pm

I wonder what the strike rate is for Agnes Gold to Redattore mares. Seems to be a potent cross.
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