Grand Prix horses that have had colic surgery (not that's what she had, but it is abdominal surgery) have gone on to return to their previous level jumping 1.60m (an example of this, 2008 Gold Medallist Hickstead, who had colic surgery in 2007). Not that I agree that she should be given a career as a hunter or a jumper, but once rehabbed it is not that uncommon (actually it is the norm) for performance horses to return to their previous regime.BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I don't know if a mare who had to recover from abdominal surgery is a good candidate for jumping. And Rachel's personality doesn't seem seem to scream, 'I'd just love to be ridden by humans again!' I suspect she would be very happy if she never has a saddle cinched on to her again.
Mind you, sadly the horse died of a heart attack later on in his career during a show jumping competition.Northport wrote:Grand Prix horses that have had colic surgery (not that's what she had, but it is abdominal surgery) have gone on to return to their previous level jumping 1.60m (an example of this, 2008 Gold Medallist Hickstead, who had colic surgery in 2007). Not that I agree that she should be given a career as a hunter or a jumper, but once rehabbed it is not that uncommon (actually it is the norm) for performance horses to return to their previous regime.BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I don't know if a mare who had to recover from abdominal surgery is a good candidate for jumping. And Rachel's personality doesn't seem seem to scream, 'I'd just love to be ridden by humans again!' I suspect she would be very happy if she never has a saddle cinched on to her again.
Hickstead had a ruptured aorta, which has nothing to do with his colic surgery.BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I would hope that Hickstead's surgery years before had nothing to do with his heart attack. That was a great loss for the jumping community and I believe that Hickstead would have made a fine jumper/sport horse stallion.
There was some news today regarding Rachel...there are no plans to breed her this year.
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/blood ... d-in-2014/
A fan posted this on Stonestreet's Facebook page "I believe the 'voice' of Stonestreet is supporting a family member through a health concern at the moment and that may be why this page has been silent lately. Prayers and best wishes to that family."Gin Pennant wrote:Looking at Rachel's page is a bit disappointing. No new updates or pictures. If they aren't going to breed her I hope they will consider another career. She might have jumping talent. Cooo, can you just see her blasting around a cross country course?
Ashton Kutcher is that you?carole wrote:Mind you, sadly the horse died of a heart attack later on in his career during a show jumping competition.Northport wrote:Grand Prix horses that have had colic surgery (not that's what she had, but it is abdominal surgery) have gone on to return to their previous level jumping 1.60m (an example of this, 2008 Gold Medallist Hickstead, who had colic surgery in 2007). Not that I agree that she should be given a career as a hunter or a jumper, but once rehabbed it is not that uncommon (actually it is the norm) for performance horses to return to their previous regime.BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I don't know if a mare who had to recover from abdominal surgery is a good candidate for jumping. And Rachel's personality doesn't seem seem to scream, 'I'd just love to be ridden by humans again!' I suspect she would be very happy if she never has a saddle cinched on to her again.
Sorry, I assumed I was being punked when it was sounded like somehow Hickstead having colic surgery in 2007 and dying of an aortic rupture in 2011 might be relatedcarole wrote:Huh?Northport wrote:Ashton Kutcher is that you?
I do feel bad for them. Same kind of stuff is posted on Zenyatta's updates, too, though not -quite- as nasty. I expect that Z won't be bred this year, since she will be foaling so late. But I can't stand the armchair owners, trainers, and veterinarians that think they know best.BlindLucky wrote:Social media is a great source of info and an outlet for communication, but I seriously hate it for Stonestreet sometimes. They just can't win. They finally give the official word that Rachel won't be bred this year, and all of the sudden there is this sudden outcry about their greed and spitefulness for not saying that she will NEVER EVER be bred again. As if everyone behind their keyboards is a licensed vet and has examined Rachel in the last week. No wonder they've been quiet about Rachel updates.
Edit: I don't mean that I've seen that stuff here, but Facebook and comment sections are rampant with "omg pretty horsey" trolls. Just irks me.
Not late for any other mare. But considering her line takes so long to mature, I'm not sure they will want a May foal next year. But I could be completely wrong.mariasmon wrote:Isn't Zenyatta due some time in April? I really don't consider that late.
I think depending on what stallion they choose next for her could make a difference. Just comparing Cozmic One and Z13, like if they decided to go back to Tapit, I wouldn't see where her having a May foal would be a big deal. I think Z13 might be ready to race before Cozmic One. Z13 is so nicely put together already.Life At Zen wrote:Not late for any other mare. But considering her line takes so long to mature, I'm not sure they will want a May foal next year. But I could be completely wrong.mariasmon wrote:Isn't Zenyatta due some time in April? I really don't consider that late.
Depending on how late she foals in April, she could theoretically be bred back by early May and have another April foal next year, but we all know how well horses like to cooperate with plans like that...Life At Zen wrote:Not late for any other mare. But considering her line takes so long to mature, I'm not sure they will want a May foal next year. But I could be completely wrong.mariasmon wrote:Isn't Zenyatta due some time in April? I really don't consider that late.
According to the research I did after Hickstead's death, the jury's still out on the causes of aortic rupture (although it seems to be most common in teenaged stallions who have been used for breeding, which was exactly what he was), but linking it to colic surgery four years and many jumping efforts prior seems very unlikely. Another example that comes to mind, much further back in time now, is the great show jumper Big Ben, who not only had colic surgery twice in career and return to the same level of sport (the memory's shaky, but I think he even had one major victory relatively soon after one sugery), but retired at the age of eighteen, sound and healthy. Unfortunately, he did pass away of colic during his retirement. Some horses are just prone. I suspect there are numerous other examples; that's just the one that came to mind.Life At Zen wrote:Hickstead had a ruptured aorta, which has nothing to do with his colic surgery.BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I would hope that Hickstead's surgery years before had nothing to do with his heart attack. That was a great loss for the jumping community and I believe that Hickstead would have made a fine jumper/sport horse stallion.
There was some news today regarding Rachel...there are no plans to breed her this year.
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/blood ... d-in-2014/
He did sire some foals, so the jury's still out on him as a sire.
Horses who have had colic surgery are 5 times likely to suffer from colic again whereas who's who colic but require surgery are 6 times more likely to suffer again according to what I learnt today!Rainyday wrote: Another example that comes to mind, much further back in time now, is the great show jumper Big Ben, who not only had colic surgery twice in career and return to the same level of sport (the memory's shaky, but I think he even had one major victory relatively soon after one sugery), but retired at the age of eighteen, sound and healthy. Unfortunately, he did pass away of colic during his retirement. Some horses are just prone. I suspect there are numerous other examples; that's just the one that came to mind.
