Pedigree Talk

[Retrospectiv]

Not sure where else to ask this.

People more familiar with standardbreds: why is gray so apparently rare for them?

The simplest answer is there's obviously been few successful grey ones, and as each grey horse has to descend from at least one grey parent it stands to reason that if there's been fewer successful grey ones to start, there's few to pass the gene along. And for every single grey parent they only have a 50% chance to pass it along each time.

[Mylute]

The Saratoga Race 7 well-beaten favorite Sounds Spooky (Mendelssohn × Fear This) is inbred to Tri Jet (1969. Jester × Haze). I don't think I have seen this before.

Whitney winner Tri Jet held a track record at Saratoga for several decades - 9F in 1:47 on dirt. I think Lawyer Ron is the currently record holder.

[HB1994]

Jim Bolger had a 10-length winner at Naas today, New Variant. He’s 2x2 to Galileo: by New Approach out of the Galileo mare Global Reach. Probably a god thing that New Variant is a gelding.

[SukiSatsuki]

So. Do we think we will ever get a tapit derby or Preakness winner? I'm not entirely sure myself. It seems like his best like to go longer.

[Flanders]

So. Do we think we will ever get a tapit derby or Preakness winner? I'm not entirely sure myself. It seems like his best like to go longer.

His foals can win Triple Crown preps at the shorter distances, there is no reason why they couldn't. But some of the best US stallions didn't get a Derby winner, like Storm Cat, Danzig, and A.P. Indy. Northern Dancer didn't sire winners of ANY US Triple Crown races but to be fair to him he only ever 2 starters, 1 in the Derby and 1 in the Belmont. It took Mr. Prospector until his 21st crop to get his Derby winner. Curlin hasn't gotten a Derby winner yet either.

[Flanders]

Jim Bolger had a 10-length winner at Naas today, New Variant. He’s 2x2 to Galileo: by New Approach out of the Galileo mare Global Reach. Probably a god thing that New Variant is a gelding.

Just looked at his pedigree. Not a fan of inbreeding that close but was pretty surprised he only had one of cross of Northern Dancer through Danehill.

[Retrospectiv]

Jim Bolger had a 10-length winner at Naas today, New Variant. He’s 2x2 to Galileo: by New Approach out of the Galileo mare Global Reach. Probably a god thing that New Variant is a gelding.

Just looked at his pedigree. Not a fan of inbreeding that close but was pretty surprised he only had one of cross of Northern Dancer through Danehill.

New Variant? He's got 3 crosses of ND - Sadler's Well twice through the 2 crosses of Galileo and again via Danehill/Danzig

[Mylute]

Curlin hasn't gotten a Derby winner yet either.

His sons have though!

[Flanders]

Jim Bolger had a 10-length winner at Naas today, New Variant. He’s 2x2 to Galileo: by New Approach out of the Galileo mare Global Reach. Probably a god thing that New Variant is a gelding.

Just looked at his pedigree. Not a fan of inbreeding that close but was pretty surprised he only had one of cross of Northern Dancer through Danehill.

New Variant? He's got 3 crosses of ND - Sadler's Well twice through the 2 crosses of Galileo and again via Danehill/Danzig

Yeah missed typing the key word of OTHER. I get ahead of myself when typing sometimes that is why it doesn't make sense what I typed.

[HB1994]

I loved this article on Mage’s breeding. His dam, Puca, and Queen Caroline, Forte’s dam, raced against each other.

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/m ... uccession/

[Mylute]

On Rocket Can's damside you can find a stallion named Stevedore, who is a sibling to Silent Screen and a winner. Can't find anything else though. No record on Equibase.

[Flanders]

On Rocket Can's damside you can find a stallion named Stevedore, who is a sibling to Silent Screen and a winner. Can't find anything else though. No record on Equibase.

(18)2-3-2 $18,021 - Not sure what type of races he won but it was not stakes and he wasn't stakes placed, both his wins were at 2. Just guessing he stood in Texas cause the 3 foals I looked up were all born in Texas, I think I have stallion directories from the time period he was alive but they aren't instantly accessible. He wasn't in the 1983 one, though pedigreequery said he died that year.

Sire of 55 foals, 35 starters, 22 winners, 2 SWs, $503,849. His 2 SWs were Reversionary and Dancing Deckhand. Rocket Can's ancestress Leasehold was a Spw.

I have no clue how Equibase picks which horses have their race records shown before 1991 but any horse's record before that has a chance of missing races. Then its weird because most Graded Stakes have their winners history back to 1976 on Equibase but Graded Stakes started in 1974 so why not just do the extra 2 years? Anyway, I'm more than willing to try and find information if you ever have a question on a horse just can't guarantee I'll actually be able to find anything.

[HB1994]

The (only?) cool thing about National Treasure’s Preakness victory is that he is from the family of Man O’War. His 11th dam is Mahubah, the dam of Big Red. This is also the family of TC winner Assault, G2W Academy Award, his dam the nice broodmare Mine Only, etc. Peter Blum, who also bred Authentic, has kept this branch of the family going for more than 40 years.

[Diver52]

The (only?) cool thing about National Treasure’s Preakness victory is that he is from the family of Man O’War. His 11th dam is Mahubah, the dam of Big Red. This is also the family of TC winner Assault, G2W Academy Award, his dam the nice broodmare Mine Only, etc. Peter Blum, who also bred Authentic, has kept this branch of the family going for more than 40 years.

Academy Award was by Secretariat--such a pity that none of his sons bred on! I just looked on Pedigree Query and Mine Only's dam, Mono, traced to War Admiral on her sire's side--so an interesting relative of the original Big Red.

[Flanders]

The (only?) cool thing about National Treasure’s Preakness victory is that he is from the family of Man O’War. His 11th dam is Mahubah, the dam of Big Red. This is also the family of TC winner Assault, G2W Academy Award, his dam the nice broodmare Mine Only, etc. Peter Blum, who also bred Authentic, has kept this branch of the family going for more than 40 years.

He talks about the family in this new TDN article.
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/b ... mono-poly/

[Flanders]

Wasn't sure where to put this. I think its really interesting to go back and look at the results of f/m stakes races then see how they did as broodmares. The 2011 La Troienne(G1) field has produced some really nice broodmares. 5 of 8 produced G1 winners so far, 3 produced champions, including 2 Horse of the Year and a Triple Crown winner.

1- Blind Luck
2 - Unrivaled Belle - dam of MCH/MG1 Unique Bella
3 - All Due Respect
4 - Absinthe Minded - dam of G1 Secret Oath
5 - Ravi's Song
6 - Quiet Giant - dam of HOTY/MG1 Gun Runner
7 - Stage Magic - dam of HOTY/MG1/Triple Crown winner Justify
8 - Seeking the Title - dam of G1 Seeking the Soul

[Starine]

That's really interesting, Flanders. Thanks for sharing!

[Mylute]

Jetolara is the favored horse of jockey Cheryl White and who has been made into a Breyer model in the new Cheryl White giftset.

You cannot find him or his dam on Equibase, only on Equineline. I added him to PQ.

[HB1994]

I loved this article about Ace Impact’s family, which includes the immortal Lexington:

https://paulickreport.com/features/bloo ... oked-foal/

[Izvestia]

Wasn't sure where to put this. I think its really interesting to go back and look at the results of f/m stakes races then see how they did as broodmares. The 2011 La Troienne(G1) field has produced some really nice broodmares. 5 of 8 produced G1 winners so far, 3 produced champions, including 2 Horse of the Year and a Triple Crown winner.

1- Blind Luck
2 - Unrivaled Belle - dam of MCH/MG1 Unique Bella
3 - All Due Respect
4 - Absinthe Minded - dam of G1 Secret Oath
5 - Ravi's Song
6 - Quiet Giant - dam of HOTY/MG1 Gun Runner
7 - Stage Magic - dam of HOTY/MG1/Triple Crown winner Justify
8 - Seeking the Title - dam of G1 Seeking the Soul

Very cool!!!