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Flanders
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Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:49 pm

WinStar said in one(maybe both) of these articles to only give b12 shot. But they have obviously lied in the course so they probably lied here too.

They definitely changed their story. This one https://www.courier-journal.com/story/s ... 000353002/ from June 2022 says
The intent behind the Black Shot, Wharton acknowledged, was to increase the horse’s energy and his interest in breeding after five unfinished mating sessions in the two days before the injection.
The horse wasn't insured for being given a "let's just mix whatever together" shot and dying from it. They are probably SOL.
here is Bloodhorse story from June 2022 as well in case anything else. https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... inary-care

If they knew it was neck soreness there is no reason to give random crap in a shot. Its not going to do anything. He needed rested.
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Tue Apr 04, 2023 4:17 pm

It is interesting that most casual fans think these stallions live in paradise and have an easy life. That may be true for some, but at these big farms looking to maximize profits at the expense of all else, they are under a lot of pressure to perform and produce ( not that the horse understands this of course, they just deal with the consequences). When that doesn’t happen is not acceptable and the horses are shipped off or we have an episode like with Laoban. Just sad that the big farm breeding business has turned this way. I am hopeful the smaller farms are more caring.
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Tue Apr 04, 2023 4:43 pm

It is interesting that Wharton said she has used this Black shot “ countless times” at SA in the article I posted originally, then in the earlier 2022 article it says she never used it before. I also can’t believe that you would give a horse a new medication by injection with massive extra-label use and not stay more than 1 min after to make sure he is Ok? In small animal medicine, we often will keep a dog in the hospital for an hour or 2 for monitoring just to make sure they tolerate a vaccine or new medication given.
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Squeaky wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 4:17 pm It is interesting that most casual fans think these stallions live in paradise and have an easy life. That may be true for some, but at these big farms looking to maximize profits at the expense of all else, they are under a lot of pressure to perform and produce ( not that the horse understands this of course, they just deal with the consequences). When that doesn’t happen is not acceptable and the horses are shipped off or we have an episode like with Laoban. Just sad that the big farm breeding business has turned this way. I am hopeful the smaller farms are more caring.
I'd much rather they "ship off" a stallion out of Kentucky where there aren't as many mares. Or somewhere like Turkey that puts limits on book size. None of the TJK stallions are given more than 120 mares and the elder stallions and/or stallions with fertility issues have less. https://medya-cdn.tjk.org/haberftp/2023 ... ir4423.pdf
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Squeaky wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:32 pm Gufo has been retired. https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/m ... o-retired/
sort of wish he were going elsewhere.
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Britain’s first 2yo race of the season was won by Doddie’s Impact, who is by G2W Pearl Secret, one of the few active stallions from the Byerley Turk (via Herod) sire line.

https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/n ... Df2D2JRAe/

Pearl Secret is a flashy boy with belly spots.

https://twitter.com/zvari4/status/12232 ... F74PnjBF7A
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sweettalk wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:15 pm
Squeaky wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:32 pm Gufo has been retired. https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/m ... o-retired/
sort of wish he were going elsewhere.
I was going to say “don’t worry, he won’t be there long,” but I don’t want to jinx him.
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sweettalk wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:15 pm
Squeaky wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:32 pm Gufo has been retired. https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/m ... o-retired/
sort of wish he were going elsewhere.
Well we know WinStar isn't going to stand him, so he should be okay. They avoid turf horses like the plague.
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Squeaky wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:32 pm Gufo has been retired. https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/m ... o-retired/
One of my recent favourites. He showed up and ran hard pretty much every time. Hope he gets a chance!
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Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:31 pm

Gufo is just being boarded there temporarily.

He will probably be bought by Japan. Germany loves stayers so they're a wildcard bet.
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Tue Apr 04, 2023 10:56 pm

If it was 2016 I’d say he seems like one Calumet would be interested in.

Now? Maybe one of the non Shadai Japanese stud farms. Or somewhere in South America.
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Tue Apr 04, 2023 11:27 pm

I don't think he'd go to Germany because he raced on Lasix at least early in his career so he couldn't be an approved stallion there.
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Wed Apr 05, 2023 12:13 am

I would've guessed Gufo would go to Turkey, if the earthquake hadn't happened. Now, I think he'll end up in Brazil or Argentina.
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cheers to you both. hope he ends up somewhere that gives him a chance (and that he makes it), was always fond of him.
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Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:57 am

It's still possible that Gufo will be purchased by a Japanese stud farm.
But US dirt sprinters/milers would be much more popular than US turf stayers at studs in Japan.
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Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:32 pm

Northport wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:35 am Mishriff has had a “minor setback” that has landed him on stall rest. He won’t be able to cover mares till mid March.

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/m ... mid-march/
Mishriff will now miss the entirety of the 2023 breeding season. He has not recoverer from whatever the “minor setback” is

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/m ... tid=Zxz2cZ
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Northport wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:32 pm
Northport wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:35 am Mishriff has had a “minor setback” that has landed him on stall rest. He won’t be able to cover mares till mid March.

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/m ... mid-march/
Mishriff will now miss the entirety of the 2023 breeding season. He has not recoverer from whatever the “minor setback” is

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/m ... tid=Zxz2cZ
wish they were more transparent. doesn't seem so minor.
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Fri Apr 07, 2023 8:53 pm

Whatever 'it' is, I hope Mishriff recovers fully. I rather liked him as a racehorse.
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Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:51 pm

i thought i read it was a left front hoof injury but i could be mixing that up w another horse. if i did read that, it definitely makes me worry for him.
glad they aren't forcing him to breed anyway, like at least 2 farms off the top of my head woulda...
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