it all makes senseFlanders wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:25 pmI don't know if its used a lot anymore. I used to see it more often or maybe its more common in Europe. As it was said, it means he is getting his mares in foal. But why its called "stopping" is because he is getting the mares in foals and stopping their estrous(heat) cycles.brunanas wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 4:07 pm https://twitter.com/headleybell/status/ ... Svh9A&s=19 does anyone know what "stopping" mares mean?
Glad to know there is punishment for this crime- I agree suspension should be longer- What a horrible and preventable deathSqueaky wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 1:13 pm Vet suspended 90 days and fined 30k in death of Laoban. Suspension should be longer to ensure follow up with CE recommendations. These home brewed “concoctions” have to stop.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... oban-death
Yes this is disappointing that Winstar went along with this and seems to come out unscathed and blameless here. What about going back to R and R? Or what about getting the OK from an authorized vet from the insurance company? Not sure if loss of breeding ability can be a claim, but if it was they should have had a say in it. With all the latest diagnostics and scans available now, seems Rood and Riddle should have been able pinpoint the source of the pain and prescribed a treatment other than one injection ( I realize we do not know the full scope of treatments performed or suggested). A friend has a horse with neck and back pain, and in addition to a steroid injection in the S-I joint, they are doing ( coax with carrot) neck and back stretching exercises, acupuncture and massage/ physiotherapy which has really helped. If poor horse was too painful to breed should have been retired/ pensioned and allowed to live out his life in a pasture in peace. Heard some stallion manager somewhere say about a lame horse, “ If he can walk he can breed”- not so!Northport wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 3:25 pm At least $30,000 is a proper fine. I don’t understand how WinStar has managed to swerve any blame for this though. The horse was known to have neck pain severe enough to keep him from breeding. Other treatments hadn’t worked, so instead of resting him they decided an energy boosting shot would be worth a try.
Vets need some kind of authorization from some kind of owner or representative before performing any kind of treatment. Especially on a horse as valuable as Laoban. Maybe they didn’t get the all clear from Kenny Troutt but what about Elliott Walden or the stallion manager at the very least?
Squeaky wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:12 pmYes this is disappointing that Winstar went along with this and seems to come out unscathed and blameless here. What about going back to R and R? Or what about getting the OK from an authorized vet from the insurance company? Not sure if loss of breeding ability can be a claim, but if it was they should have had a say in it. With all the latest diagnostics and scans available now, seems Rood and Riddle should have been able pinpoint the source of the pain and prescribed a treatment other than one injection ( I realize we do not know the full scope of treatments performed or suggested). A friend has a horse with neck and back pain, and in addition to a steroid injection in the S-I joint, they are doing ( coax with carrot) neck and back stretching exercises, acupuncture and massage/ physiotherapy which has really helped. If poor horse was too painful to breed should have been retired/ pensioned and allowed to live out his life in a pasture in peace. Heard some stallion manager somewhere say about a lame horse, “ If he can walk he can breed”- not so!Northport wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 3:25 pm At least $30,000 is a proper fine. I don’t understand how WinStar has managed to swerve any blame for this though. The horse was known to have neck pain severe enough to keep him from breeding. Other treatments hadn’t worked, so instead of resting him they decided an energy boosting shot would be worth a try.
Vets need some kind of authorization from some kind of owner or representative before performing any kind of treatment. Especially on a horse as valuable as Laoban. Maybe they didn’t get the all clear from Kenny Troutt but what about Elliott Walden or the stallion manager at the very least?
On the one hand its like wtf WinStar. If a vet were found at fault for killing my horse you can guarantee id be finding a new vet. On the other hand its WinStar where $$$$$ matters the most so are we surprised?Squeaky wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 6:19 pm Apparently Winstar keeping vet on- likely paid her fine too. Really looks bad for Winstar.
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/l ... uspension/
For real.TapitsGal wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 7:10 pmOn the one hand its like wtf WinStar. If a vet were found at fault for killing my horse you can guarantee id be finding a new vet.Squeaky wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 6:19 pm Apparently Winstar keeping vet on- likely paid her fine too. Really looks bad for Winstar.
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/l ... uspension/
they have? i vividly remember reading reports that he mounted multiple mares and "failed to finish". IIRC they were treating that as a libido issue. idk if the article was deleted but Tim Sullivan (who i believe was who broke the news) has a tweet where he says the black shot was meant to increase his energy.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/s ... 361509001/Laoban had already bred with 126 mares in his first year of stud service at WinStar, but he was injected in an effort to stimulate his interest in breeding after failing to complete any of five mating sessions over a two-day period.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... oban-deathAn investigatory report was prepared by Dr. Coy St. Clair, a veterinarian. Wharton told her Laoban "had trouble gripping his mares" in the breeding shed. Shockwave and non-steroidal anti-inflammatories were tried, and Rood and Riddle gave him an injection for neck pain, but eventually the problem persisted and finally Laoban refused to breed.
You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist ... WinStar probably told the vet to use whatever means necessary to get the horse back breeding, and her supposed "suspension" is likely being served as a paid vacation.Northport wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:24 pm It wasn’t a libido issue, they have released it was soreness in the neck. They knew the issue and decided to try a quick and temporary solution
WinStar keeping Wharton on gives me all the explanation I need. I would imagine they authorized, if not ordered, the shot. I’m sure she was able to make a deal with the farm. She takes 100% of the blame and the reputation hit, WinStar covers the legal fees and keeps her on the payroll.
Im not usually a conspiracy gal but this whole thing is just so gross and dumb
disgusting money hungry pricks.