Zenyatta vs Eblouissante

[Izvestia]

I mean, Zenyatta is one of the best race mares of all time. But can’t produce a maiden winner.

Sister Eblouissante was an above average race mare, maybe her mental issues got in the way??? And she produces a Derby candidate.

Breeding is funny.

[BaroqueAgain1]

Zen was Amazonian, a real physical outlier. Huge for a mare, but perfectly proportioned. She was a HOTY racehorse, but it may be hard to match that kind of physique with a stallion.
Ebby is a tall gal, but not as big as her sister. IMHO, it made her a more suitable broodmare prospect.
Regarding Ebby's 'mental issues?' Her interest in being a racehorse evaporated in the NY starting gate when she whacked her head on the gate so hard that she broke teeth. The vet didn't catch it, and she ran anyway. A miserable experience like that can put a horse off the whole sport...especially if they're smart enough to decide racing is just no fun.

[Izvestia]

Zen was Amazonian, a real physical outlier. Huge for a mare, but perfectly proportioned. She was a HOTY racehorse, but it may be hard to match that kind of physique with a stallion.
Ebby is a tall gal, but not as big as her sister. IMHO, it made her a more suitable broodmare prospect.
Regarding Ebby's 'mental issues?' Her interest in being a racehorse evaporated in the NY starting gate when she whacked her head on the gate so hard that she broke teeth. The vet didn't catch it, and she ran anyway. A miserable experience like that can put a horse off the whole sport...especially if they're smart enough to decide racing is just no fun.

I didn’t know that about Ebby, and it makes sense.

[SukiSatsuki]

In zenyatta defense her owners keep sending her babies to a trainer who trains them like she was

[HB1994]

I mean, Zenyatta is one of the best race mares of all time. But can’t produce a maiden winner.

Sister Eblouissante was an above average race mare, maybe her mental issues got in the way??? And she produces a Derby candidate.

Breeding is funny.

If her progeny had a different owner and/or trainer, one (or more) of them may have won by now.

[mariasmon]

Eblouissante is huge, too.

[Slewfan2]

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[Slewfan2]

Eblouissante is huge, too.

But if I recall, more lanky and elegant than Zenyatta.

Breeding is always a crapshoot. Maybe it’s just not overall a great family. Zenyatta’s sister, Balance, wasn’t a good producer. Their second dam wasn’t good, either.

Bernardini is a fantastic BMS - that doesn’t hurt

[sweettalk]

I mean, Zenyatta is one of the best race mares of all time. But can’t produce a maiden winner.

Sister Eblouissante was an above average race mare, maybe her mental issues got in the way??? And she produces a Derby candidate.

Breeding is funny.

If her progeny had a different owner and/or trainer, one (or more) of them may have won by now.

hhhooooo boy. what i wouldn't give for Zenyatta's kiddos to see a different trainer...

[Retrospectiv]

The only decent producer in that entire family has been the dam - Vertigineaux
None of the daughters have been any kind of broodmares.
I do agree with a change of trainer, some of the Zenyatta's would have at least broke their maidens. Still poor race horses though.

[Falinadin]

The only decent producer in that entire family has been the dam - Vertigineaux
None of the daughters have been any kind of broodmares.

?
Where's Bailey produced multiple G2 winner She's Not Here (who has 2 winners from 2 starters herself).
Harley Rose produced stakes winner Belle of the North, her only foal to race.
Treasure Trail produced G3 winner/G1 placed Long Island Sound, who stood stud in Florida for a year or two before being exported to South America. She also produced stakes placed Telemaque, and a filly named Naples Parade who has produce G2 placed Napoleonic War.
Balance has produced 2 winners.

Now with Eblouissante producing a graded stakes winner, than means that Vertigineaux has 4 stakes producing daughters (3 of them graded stakes producing) and at least 1 stakes producing granddaughter. IMO thats far better than most mares in the country.

[mariasmon]

Eblouissante is huge, too.

But if I recall, more lanky and elegant than Zenyatta.

Breeding is always a crapshoot. Maybe it’s just not overall a great family. Zenyatta’s sister, Balance, wasn’t a good producer. Their second dam wasn’t good, either.

Bernardini is a fantastic BMS - that doesn’t hurt

Yeah, she's kinda like a giant Bernardini.

[Slewfan2]

Eblouissante is huge, too.

But if I recall, more lanky and elegant than Zenyatta.

Breeding is always a crapshoot. Maybe it’s just not overall a great family. Zenyatta’s sister, Balance, wasn’t a good producer. Their second dam wasn’t good, either.

Bernardini is a fantastic BMS - that doesn’t hurt

Yeah, she's kinda like a giant Bernardini.

Not a bad thing to be! Any idea who she’s been bred to next? Thanks !

[Northport]

I’d imagine Candy Ride again, or his best son in Gun Runner. Or Flightline maybe?

[mariasmon]

But if I recall, more lanky and elegant than Zenyatta.

Breeding is always a crapshoot. Maybe it’s just not overall a great family. Zenyatta’s sister, Balance, wasn’t a good producer. Their second dam wasn’t good, either.

Bernardini is a fantastic BMS - that doesn’t hurt

Yeah, she's kinda like a giant Bernardini.

Not a bad thing to be! Any idea who she’s been bred to next? Thanks !

Maclean's Music for 2023

[Slewfan2]

Yeah, she's kinda like a giant Bernardini.

Not a bad thing to be! Any idea who she’s been bred to next? Thanks !

Maclean's Music for 2023

That’s interesting...I know MM is very successful, but it seems odd to go from CR to him. In any case, I like the idea of trying to inject some speed into the bloodlines...

Thanks !

[mariasmon]

Not a bad thing to be! Any idea who she’s been bred to next? Thanks !

Maclean's Music for 2023

That’s interesting...I know MM is very successful, but it seems odd to go from CR to him. In any case, I like the idea of trying to inject some speed into the bloodlines...

Thanks !

Yeah, they probably are. But I can't help thinking it would make a lot of sense for her to go to Gun Runner this year, given Confidence Game's success and that GR is outshining his sire. Plus, he's getting runners at all sorts of distances.

[Flanders]

here is a video of her 2yo colt by More Than Ready (he is currently unnamed):
https://twitter.com/reredevaux/status/1 ... 9930093570

[BaroqueAgain1]

I loved More Than Ready - he could sire runners on both dirt and turf. Hope this handsome boy does well.
I'm happy that he has his mom's black coloring.

[Retrospectiv]

The only decent producer in that entire family has been the dam - Vertigineaux
None of the daughters have been any kind of broodmares.

?
Where's Bailey produced multiple G2 winner She's Not Here (who has 2 winners from 2 starters herself).
Harley Rose produced stakes winner Belle of the North, her only foal to race.
Treasure Trail produced G3 winner/G1 placed Long Island Sound, who stood stud in Florida for a year or two before being exported to South America. She also produced stakes placed Telemaque, and a filly named Naples Parade who has produce G2 placed Napoleonic War.
Balance has produced 2 winners.

Now with Eblouissante producing a graded stakes winner, than means that Vertigineaux has 4 stakes producing daughters (3 of them graded stakes producing) and at least 1 stakes producing granddaughter. IMO thats far better than most mares in the country.

Given the creme de la creme of sires the whole clan have been bred to over their careers, they've been a largely disappointing and under performing bunch. I stand by my initial post.
7 daughters at stud, and you've got two Gr 2 winners, 1 Gr 3 winner and 1 ungraded stakes winner.