Breeders’ Cup 2022

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Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:43 pm

So happy to hear that Epicenter is doing well post-surgery, and Cody's Wish coming back is great as well. I'm assuming that Elite Power is coming back as well?

Also, sounds like Rich Strike (who ran another career-best figure in the BC) is guaranteed to come back next year regardless of whether or not they accept a stallion offer. To those who said he'd never be worth more than he was after the Derby, especially that guy standing behind me at the Belmont this year... see, continuing to race your horse is good, actually. I hope he has a great season.
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Mon Nov 07, 2022 4:10 pm

Tessablue wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:43 pm So happy to hear that Epicenter is doing well post-surgery, and Cody's Wish coming back is great as well. I'm assuming that Elite Power is coming back as well?

Also, sounds like Rich Strike (who ran another career-best figure in the BC) is guaranteed to come back next year regardless of whether or not they accept a stallion offer. To those who said he'd never be worth more than he was after the Derby, especially that guy standing behind me at the Belmont this year... see, continuing to race your horse is good, actually. I hope he has a great season.
Would love for him to pull a California Chrome and go from a middling 3yo to a top older horse.
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Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:11 pm

Tessablue wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:43 pm Also, sounds like Rich Strike (who ran another career-best figure in the BC) is guaranteed to come back next year regardless of whether or not they accept a stallion offer. To those who said he'd never be worth more than he was after the Derby, especially that guy standing behind me at the Belmont this year... see, continuing to race your horse is good, actually. I hope he has a great season.
Tough break for the breeders that were lining up for him no doubt, will have to be patient and wait a year, maybe longer.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:59 pm

Awww. Nice to see. Keep on healing buddy!
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Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:53 pm

Love this!

Just saw that Cyberknife may run once or twice more, but will retire to stud for 2023. So they ducked the big race and now are retiring the horse when he's clearly on the improve? So frustrating.
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Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:36 pm

Tessablue wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:53 pm
Love this!

Just saw that Cyberknife may run once or twice more, but will retire to stud for 2023. So they ducked the big race and now are retiring the horse when he's clearly on the improve? So frustrating.
Cigar Mile and/or Pegasus seem the obvious choice? I mean, it still sucks that he is retiring, but I’ll take two more races. Besides avoiding Flightline and the Classic, which I can’t entirely blame them for, Cyberknife’s connections have danced a lot of dances this year. He’s already started 9 times but clearly thrives off of work.
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Tessablue wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:53 pm
Love this!

Just saw that Cyberknife may run once or twice more, but will retire to stud for 2023. So they ducked the big race and now are retiring the horse when he's clearly on the improve? So frustrating.
Spendthrift needs another line to overbreed. filling the market with Into Mischiefs and his descendants isn't enough! Gun Runner is obviously a boom sire right now so they'll be getting plenty of paychecks abusing the lack of the cap they were angry at :roll:
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Still wondering about Domestic Spending- haven't heard a word since Sunday- they say no news is good news, but maybe not
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Good news on Domestic Spending!

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Domestic Spending continues to do well. He is comfortable, bright, and has a great appetite. We are optimistic to release him next week to our local farm where we are committed to provide him with a pampered life in beautiful pastures. 🙏
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Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:59 pm

Tessablue wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:11 pm Good news on Domestic Spending!

Chad C. Brown
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Domestic Spending continues to do well. He is comfortable, bright, and has a great appetite. We are optimistic to release him next week to our local farm where we are committed to provide him with a pampered life in beautiful pastures. 🙏
Such good news!!!
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‘We’re Supposed To Be Protecting The Horse’: Tyler’s Tribe Trainer Bemoans Lack Of Lasix, Targets Kentucky Derby
https://paulickreport.com/news/breeders ... cky-derby/
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Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:53 am

brunanas wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:20 pm what's your thing with Rich Strike? he won the KYD and was 4th in a competitive BCC. he is a good horse. "Keen Ice hasn't really done anything to be thought of as a sire of sires" maaaaaybe because his older foals are only... 3yos? if we used this line of thought, we wouldn't have, you know, Tapit?
You may be forgetting that Tapit's first juvenile runners included a champion (Stardom Bound), multiple G1 winners, and several graded stakes winners/placers.
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Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:29 am

Gemini wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:53 am
brunanas wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:20 pm what's your thing with Rich Strike? he won the KYD and was 4th in a competitive BCC. he is a good horse. "Keen Ice hasn't really done anything to be thought of as a sire of sires" maaaaaybe because his older foals are only... 3yos? if we used this line of thought, we wouldn't have, you know, Tapit?
You may be forgetting that Tapit's first juvenile runners included a champion (Stardom Bound), multiple G1 winners, and several graded stakes winners/placers.
what i meant is that Pulpit wasn't a sire of sires before Tapit.
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Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:55 pm

brunanas wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:29 am
Gemini wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:53 am
brunanas wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:20 pm what's your thing with Rich Strike? he won the KYD and was 4th in a competitive BCC. he is a good horse. "Keen Ice hasn't really done anything to be thought of as a sire of sires" maaaaaybe because his older foals are only... 3yos? if we used this line of thought, we wouldn't have, you know, Tapit?
You may be forgetting that Tapit's first juvenile runners included a champion (Stardom Bound), multiple G1 winners, and several graded stakes winners/placers.
what i meant is that Pulpit wasn't a sire of sires before Tapit.
Sky Mesa says do your homework.
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Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:01 pm

Izvestia wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:55 pm
brunanas wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:29 am
Gemini wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:53 am
You may be forgetting that Tapit's first juvenile runners included a champion (Stardom Bound), multiple G1 winners, and several graded stakes winners/placers.
what i meant is that Pulpit wasn't a sire of sires before Tapit.
Sky Mesa says do your homework.
my point remains. when Tapit retired, Sky Mesa's first foals were just hitting the ground.
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Fri Nov 11, 2022 5:03 pm

Izvestia wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:55 pm
brunanas wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:29 am
Gemini wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:53 am
You may be forgetting that Tapit's first juvenile runners included a champion (Stardom Bound), multiple G1 winners, and several graded stakes winners/placers.
what i meant is that Pulpit wasn't a sire of sires before Tapit.
Sky Mesa says do your homework.
i didn't think sky mesa was doing very well at stud. since my mum has a big soft spot for him, i'm glad to hear i just havent been paying attention (not being passive-aggressive, i genuinely tend to overlook things like this, lol.) had to ask flanders abt candy ride as a sire of sires just recently)
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Fri Nov 11, 2022 5:41 pm

sweettalk wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 5:03 pm
Izvestia wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:55 pm
brunanas wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:29 am

what i meant is that Pulpit wasn't a sire of sires before Tapit.
Sky Mesa says do your homework.
i didn't think sky mesa was doing very well at stud. since my mum has a big soft spot for him, i'm glad to hear i just havent been paying attention (not being passive-aggressive, i genuinely tend to overlook things like this, lol.) had to ask flanders abt candy ride as a sire of sires just recently)
Sky Mesa's first foals were weanlings when Tapit entered stud. Suki was saying Keen Ice isn't a sire of sires (which i mean... he can't even be a sire of sires yet). while perhaps Sky Mesa's first crop might have been good, you couldn't have considered Pulpit to be a sire of sires because of him back when Tapit first retired.
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Fri Nov 11, 2022 5:58 pm

Sky Mesa is no Tapit, but he’s sired many good horses and is under-rated. I bring him up because someone mentioned that before Tapit, Pulpit wasn’t considered a sire of sires.

Check out his stallion page. Sky Mesa is a good sire. He’s just not the next hot thing.
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Fri Nov 11, 2022 9:26 pm

I tend to agree, though, with the underlying position that Keen Ice is unlikely to be much of a sire of sires--or much of a sire, period. He's listed at $7500, which suggests that breeders aren't terribly impressed by his status as the sire of a KD winner. The lack of speed in both sire and son is a commercial turnoff. The Pulpit line had speed.
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