Wonder if Flightline's fee starts above $200k?KatieK101 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:27 pm I'm very interested to see what sort of first book Flightline gets; I remember when American Pharoah retired to stud, many claimed that his first book was the best first book they had ever seen. Justify and Arrogate had similar quality in their first years.
But considering his longevity and the fact that Into Mischief and Gun Runner and Quality Road, etc, are still alive and proven, will he get the very best mares out of the gate? Or will his first book be more comparable to say, Gun Runner or Charleton? I do expect it to be the former, breeders do love their brilliance.
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tbh, from what i've seen, i dare say Charlatan might have gotten an AP-Justify level first book, if not slightly better. i heard they were denying Gr. III winners with good families.KatieK101 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:27 pm I'm very interested to see what sort of first book Flightline gets; I remember when American Pharoah retired to stud, many claimed that his first book was the best first book they had ever seen. Justify and Arrogate had similar quality in their first years.
But considering his longevity and the fact that Into Mischief and Gun Runner and Quality Road, etc, are still alive and proven, will he get the very best mares out of the gate? Or will his first book be more comparable to say, Gun Runner or Charleton? I do expect it to be the former, breeders do love their brilliance.
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They claimed Malibu Max out of his last race at Fort Erie for $5k, this is about as cushy a landing spot as he could get. He doesn't have a bad pedigree tbh, no graded stakes winners in his first few dams but a bunch of horses with similarly long careers that made six-figure earnings the hard way. Looks like the farm advertises their other stallion for sport-horses as well as racing and with this guy's soundness and decent sport pedigree (AP Indy + Pleasant Colony) there might be more interest from that direction.Flanders wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:03 am 9yo Spw Malibu Max (Malibu Moon - Mindy Sue, by Pleasantly Perfect) to Workwize Stables in Alberta
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It was certainly a great book but I don't think I would personally say that his first book is on par with AP or Justify (perhaps Arrogate). I was doing some research today and was surprised all over again by some of the mares that were sent to AP, especially at his $200k fee and the fact that POTN was not known for being a sire of sires, or even a supersire until AP came along.brunanas wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:34 pmtbh, from what i've seen, i dare say Charlatan might have gotten an AP-Justify level first book, if not slightly better. i heard they were denying Gr. III winners with good families.KatieK101 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:27 pm I'm very interested to see what sort of first book Flightline gets; I remember when American Pharoah retired to stud, many claimed that his first book was the best first book they had ever seen. Justify and Arrogate had similar quality in their first years.
But considering his longevity and the fact that Into Mischief and Gun Runner and Quality Road, etc, are still alive and proven, will he get the very best mares out of the gate? Or will his first book be more comparable to say, Gun Runner or Charleton? I do expect it to be the former, breeders do love their brilliance.
The only (American) elite producers that AP hasn't covered yet, if anyone is interested, are Catch the Moon, Dream of Summer (has been sent to Justify), Indian Miss (the only top sire she's ever visited in Into Mischief), Justwhistledixie (has been sent to Arrogate), Mining My Own (has been sent to Justify), Marion Ravenwood, Sea Gull (has been sent to Arrogate), Serena's Cat (is in Charlatan's first book), Special Me, and Stage Magic.
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Those are THE only “elite” American producers? Are we sure?KatieK101 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:55 pmIt was certainly a great book but I don't think I would personally say that his first book is on par with AP or Justify (perhaps Arrogate). I was doing some research today and was surprised all over again by some of the mares that were sent to AP, especially at his $200k fee and the fact that POTN was not known for being a sire of sires, or even a supersire until AP came along.brunanas wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:34 pmtbh, from what i've seen, i dare say Charlatan might have gotten an AP-Justify level first book, if not slightly better. i heard they were denying Gr. III winners with good families.KatieK101 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:27 pm I'm very interested to see what sort of first book Flightline gets; I remember when American Pharoah retired to stud, many claimed that his first book was the best first book they had ever seen. Justify and Arrogate had similar quality in their first years.
But considering his longevity and the fact that Into Mischief and Gun Runner and Quality Road, etc, are still alive and proven, will he get the very best mares out of the gate? Or will his first book be more comparable to say, Gun Runner or Charleton? I do expect it to be the former, breeders do love their brilliance.
The only (American) elite producers that AP hasn't covered yet, if anyone is interested, are Catch the Moon, Dream of Summer (has been sent to Justify), Indian Miss (the only top sire she's ever visited in Into Mischief), Justwhistledixie (has been sent to Arrogate), Mining My Own (has been sent to Justify), Marion Ravenwood, Sea Gull (has been sent to Arrogate), Serena's Cat (is in Charlatan's first book), Special Me, and Stage Magic.
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Of course not. Elite is subjective, and it’s something I looked into for an hour because I was waiting for the sales to start. But I used the tools I have at my disposal and went through mares that have notable produce records (I used the “best active broodmares” thread as criteria and a point of reference) and checked to see if at any point they had been bred to AP.Izvestia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:48 pmThose are THE only “elite” American producers? Are we sure?KatieK101 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:55 pmIt was certainly a great book but I don't think I would personally say that his first book is on par with AP or Justify (perhaps Arrogate). I was doing some research today and was surprised all over again by some of the mares that were sent to AP, especially at his $200k fee and the fact that POTN was not known for being a sire of sires, or even a supersire until AP came along.
The only (American) elite producers that AP hasn't covered yet, if anyone is interested, are Catch the Moon, Dream of Summer (has been sent to Justify), Indian Miss (the only top sire she's ever visited in Into Mischief), Justwhistledixie (has been sent to Arrogate), Mining My Own (has been sent to Justify), Marion Ravenwood, Sea Gull (has been sent to Arrogate), Serena's Cat (is in Charlatan's first book), Special Me, and Stage Magic.
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Several “elite” mares have been sent to AP but didn’t catch (Charming and Miss Macy Sue, for example). I didn’t count those mares against him.
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Saw a post from Tim Thompson on FB that Flightline will stand for 200k
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Waldkonig, a group 3 winning half brother to Arc winner Waldgeist by Kingman, has been retired to Knockhouse Stud. He will stand for €2,500 as a National Hunt stallion
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He's a shuttler to Uruguay. I think he may just be staying there, or WTC will be private. They had them on their roster for next year I THINK until recently.
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Makes sense since his mares bred numbers were low and he has not had many runners although Manny Wah ran ok in the BC.Mylute wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:47 pm Breeders Who Supported Oscar Performance Get Discount
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He's a shuttler to Uruguay. I think he may just be staying there, or WTC will be private. They had them on their roster for next year I THINK until recently.
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That's now confirmed. Flightline to stand for 200k. It's bonkersflytpthestars wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:12 am Saw a post from Tim Thompson on FB that Flightline will stand for 200k
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Highland Reel sold to stand at S T Farm in Japan according to a Racingpost article
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Fees for incoming 2023 US stallions (either confirmed or heard to be going to stud) - Kentucky;
(KY) $200,000 - 4xG1W Flightline (Tapit - Feathered, by Indian Charlie)
(KY) $100,000 - 4xG1W Life is Good (Into Mischief - Beach Walk, by Distorted Humor)
(KY) $ 50,000 - 5xG1W Jackie's Warrior (Maclean's Music - Unicorn Girl, by A P Five Hundred)
(KY) $ 45,000 - 3xG1W Jack Christopher (Munnings - Rushin No Blushin, by Half Ours)
(KY) $ 35,000 - G1W Olympiad (Speightstown - Tokyo Time, by Medaglia d'Oro)
(KY) $ 30,000 - 2xG1W Corniche (Quality Road - Wasted Tears, by Najran)
(KY) $ 30,000 - 2xG1W Cyberknife (Gun Runner - Awesome Flower, by Flower Alley)
(KY) $ 30,000 - G1W Golden Pal (Uncle Mo - Lady Shipman, by Midshipman)
(KY) $ 25,000 - 2xG1W Mandaloun (Into Mischief - Brooch, by Empire Maker)
(KY) $ 25,000 - G1W Early Voting (Gun Runner - Amour d'Ete, by Tiznow)
(KY) $ 20,000 - G1W Mo Donegal (Uncle Mo - Callingmissbrown, by Pulpit)
(KY) $ 20,000 - G1W Speaker's Corner (Street Sense - Tuburn Book, by Bernardini)
(KY) $ 15,000 - G1W Mystic Guide (Ghostzapper - Music Note, by A.P. Indy)
(KY) $ 15,000 - LSW Nashville (Speightstown - Veronique, by Mizzen Mast)
(KY) $ 12,500 - G1W Happy Saver (Super Saver - Happy Week, by Distorted Humor)
(KY) $ 10,000 - G1W Aloha West (Hard Spun - Island Bound, by Speightstown)
(KY) $ 10,000 - G1W Drain the Clock (Maclean's Music - Manki, by Arch)
(KY) $ 10,000 - G1W Idol (Curlin - Marion Ravenwood, by A.P. Indy)
(KY) $ 7,500 - G1W Channel Cat (English Channel - Carnival Kitten, by Kitten's Joy)
(KY) $ 7,500 - G1W Sir Winston (Awesome Again - La Gran Bailadora, by Afleet Alex)
(KY) $ 7,500 - G2W Greatest Honour (Tapit - Tiffany's Honour, by Street Cry [IRE])
(KY) $ 7,500 - G2W Mutasaabeq (Into Mischief - Downside Scenario, by Scat Daddy)
(KY) $ 5,000 - 3xG3W Plainsman (Flatter - S S Pinafore, by Street Sense)
(KY) $ TBA - G1W Art Collector (Bernardini - Distorted Legacy, by Distorted Humor)
(4) Ashford Stud, Spendthrift Farm
(2) Jonabell Farm, Gainesway Farm, WinStar Farm
(1) Airdrie Stud, Buck Pond Farm, Calumet Farm, Claiborne Farm, Crestwood Farm, Darby Dan Farm, Juddmonte Farms, Lane's End Farm, Mill Ridge Farm, Taylor Made Stallions
(KY) $200,000 - 4xG1W Flightline (Tapit - Feathered, by Indian Charlie)
(KY) $100,000 - 4xG1W Life is Good (Into Mischief - Beach Walk, by Distorted Humor)
(KY) $ 50,000 - 5xG1W Jackie's Warrior (Maclean's Music - Unicorn Girl, by A P Five Hundred)
(KY) $ 45,000 - 3xG1W Jack Christopher (Munnings - Rushin No Blushin, by Half Ours)
(KY) $ 35,000 - G1W Olympiad (Speightstown - Tokyo Time, by Medaglia d'Oro)
(KY) $ 30,000 - 2xG1W Corniche (Quality Road - Wasted Tears, by Najran)
(KY) $ 30,000 - 2xG1W Cyberknife (Gun Runner - Awesome Flower, by Flower Alley)
(KY) $ 30,000 - G1W Golden Pal (Uncle Mo - Lady Shipman, by Midshipman)
(KY) $ 25,000 - 2xG1W Mandaloun (Into Mischief - Brooch, by Empire Maker)
(KY) $ 25,000 - G1W Early Voting (Gun Runner - Amour d'Ete, by Tiznow)
(KY) $ 20,000 - G1W Mo Donegal (Uncle Mo - Callingmissbrown, by Pulpit)
(KY) $ 20,000 - G1W Speaker's Corner (Street Sense - Tuburn Book, by Bernardini)
(KY) $ 15,000 - G1W Mystic Guide (Ghostzapper - Music Note, by A.P. Indy)
(KY) $ 15,000 - LSW Nashville (Speightstown - Veronique, by Mizzen Mast)
(KY) $ 12,500 - G1W Happy Saver (Super Saver - Happy Week, by Distorted Humor)
(KY) $ 10,000 - G1W Aloha West (Hard Spun - Island Bound, by Speightstown)
(KY) $ 10,000 - G1W Drain the Clock (Maclean's Music - Manki, by Arch)
(KY) $ 10,000 - G1W Idol (Curlin - Marion Ravenwood, by A.P. Indy)
(KY) $ 7,500 - G1W Channel Cat (English Channel - Carnival Kitten, by Kitten's Joy)
(KY) $ 7,500 - G1W Sir Winston (Awesome Again - La Gran Bailadora, by Afleet Alex)
(KY) $ 7,500 - G2W Greatest Honour (Tapit - Tiffany's Honour, by Street Cry [IRE])
(KY) $ 7,500 - G2W Mutasaabeq (Into Mischief - Downside Scenario, by Scat Daddy)
(KY) $ 5,000 - 3xG3W Plainsman (Flatter - S S Pinafore, by Street Sense)
(KY) $ TBA - G1W Art Collector (Bernardini - Distorted Legacy, by Distorted Humor)
(4) Ashford Stud, Spendthrift Farm
(2) Jonabell Farm, Gainesway Farm, WinStar Farm
(1) Airdrie Stud, Buck Pond Farm, Calumet Farm, Claiborne Farm, Crestwood Farm, Darby Dan Farm, Juddmonte Farms, Lane's End Farm, Mill Ridge Farm, Taylor Made Stallions
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Golden Pal - $30,000
https://coolmore.com/farms/america/stallions/golden-pal
That is according to Coolmore's site. I've seen it change before though.
https://coolmore.com/farms/america/stallions/golden-pal
That is according to Coolmore's site. I've seen it change before though.