Breeders’ Cup 2022
- Northport
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I really do appreciate connections pretending all year like they actually considered racing him at 5. Good for the fans to build up some misguided hope that a talented horse would race long enough to actually enter the public conscience. A real people's horse.
At least with Baaeed and Frankel you knew precisely when the end would be and connections never pretended otherwise.
Interested to see what the 2.5% share in him will go for. Not even sure where to begin in valuing a clearly talented horse that only raced 6 times, none of them in Triple Crown races. $50mil? more?
At least with Baaeed and Frankel you knew precisely when the end would be and connections never pretended otherwise.
Interested to see what the 2.5% share in him will go for. Not even sure where to begin in valuing a clearly talented horse that only raced 6 times, none of them in Triple Crown races. $50mil? more?
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Sad, but true.
I was and still am devastated that Godolphin retired Bernardini before he’d even reached his prime. I know how hard it must be for Flightline’s fans …I’m sorry, it sucks.
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Oh god that will be all three jewel winners gone. I dunno who would have to stand him keen ice hasn’t really done anything to be thought of a sire of sires. Hopefully they keep running maybe he will improve
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- Northport
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I literally cannot see any halfway decent offer coming from anywhere except Japan. They are the only jurisdiction that has the interest AND the financial backing to buy a (newly retired) Kentucky Derby winner. I would be interested to see Rich Strike try the Saudi Cup, that race track has such a long home straight, could suit a closer like him. If Emblem Road can grind home there, anyone can.
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That’s what he needs a long homestretch and decent horses to run againstNorthport wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:18 pm I literally cannot see any halfway decent offer coming from anywhere except Japan. They are the only jurisdiction that has the interest AND the financial backing to buy a (newly retired) Kentucky Derby winner. I would be interested to see Rich Strike try the Saudi Cup, that race track has such a long home straight, could suit a closer like him. If Emblem Road can grind home there, anyone can.
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what's your thing with Rich Strike? he won the KYD and was 4th in a competitive BCC. he is a good horse. "Keen Ice hasn't really done anything to be thought of as a sire of sires" maaaaaybe because his older foals are only... 3yos? if we used this line of thought, we wouldn't have, you know, Tapit?SukiSatsuki wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:13 pmOh god that will be all three jewel winners gone. I dunno who would have to stand him keen ice hasn’t really done anything to be thought of a sire of sires. Hopefully they keep running maybe he will improve
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- brunanas
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can we start trying to guess a stud fee? i say, at the very least, $100,000?
edit: there are rumors on twitter (so take that with an EXTRA grain of salt) that before the Classic there was talk of it being $150k...?
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- Diver52
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Well, I'm disappointed, especially as I live in Southern California and might have had a chance to see him again, but this really is a case of "What does he have to prove/what more could he prove?" I remember what a football coach who preferred to run the ball said about the pass--"Three things can happen and two of them are bad." Same could be said of racing him again.
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If he didn’t have a horrible jockey and sore loser trainer I might like him more and it’s a shame we do have tapit around love him as much as I do shouldn’t have been bred we don’t need any more unsound horses. Isn’t in Germany you have to rave for a set amount of time to be considered for the shed? We need that herebrunanas wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:20 pmwhat's your thing with Rich Strike? he won the KYD and was 4th in a competitive BCC. he is a good horse. "Keen Ice hasn't really done anything to be thought of as a sire of sires" maaaaaybe because his older foals are only... 3yos? if we used this line of thought, we wouldn't have, you know, Tapit?SukiSatsuki wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:13 pmOh god that will be all three jewel winners gone. I dunno who would have to stand him keen ice hasn’t really done anything to be thought of a sire of sires. Hopefully they keep running maybe he will improve
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what the hell does the fact his jockey is reckless and his trainer is an idiot have anything to do with him? using that as an excuse to hate a horse is just... stupid. and yeaaaah, maybe the world would be a better place without Tapit's influence. or ya know, without the crazy horses "like Rich Strike" going to the breeding shed. it's not like a certain psycho sired a certain... what was his name? Monday Silence? Loud Sunday?SukiSatsuki wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:30 pmIf he didn’t have a horrible jockey and sore loser trainer I might like him more and it’s a shame we do have tapit around love him as much as I do shouldn’t have been bred we don’t need any more unsound horses. Isn’t in Germany you have to rave for a set amount of time to be considered for the shed? We need that herebrunanas wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:20 pmwhat's your thing with Rich Strike? he won the KYD and was 4th in a competitive BCC. he is a good horse. "Keen Ice hasn't really done anything to be thought of as a sire of sires" maaaaaybe because his older foals are only... 3yos? if we used this line of thought, we wouldn't have, you know, Tapit?SukiSatsuki wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:13 pm
Oh god that will be all three jewel winners gone. I dunno who would have to stand him keen ice hasn’t really done anything to be thought of a sire of sires. Hopefully they keep running maybe he will improve
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Good news. Who cares about racing - his life is more important.barbaro111 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:37 pm https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/ ... urgery_123
Epicenter has had successful surgery
- Squeaky
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Agree-Hope he recovers well and can retire sound and happy.Izvestia wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:44 pmGood news. Who cares about racing - his life is more important.barbaro111 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:37 pm https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/ ... urgery_123
Epicenter has had successful surgery
- Squeaky
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Yes me too but not surprised. Wonder what is stud fee and book size will be?
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i say at least $100k+, but i believe Lane's End puts a good limit on their books from what i've seen. not that this is small by any means, but not over 200 perhaps?
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- Katewerk
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I'd be more disappointed if he was a 3 year old, but as the horse was denied a 2 year old campaign due to what looks to be a serious injury (the scarring is significant), I don't begrudge them the retirement.
The industry is what it is. He's turning 5. The pressure had to be immense to preserve his stud value and not lose a year in revenue, combined with the impossible task of pleasing fans and critics or the disaster of a breakdown or accident.
Until the ponzi scheme that is the breeding part of the industry receives a correction, those financial realities will prevail. The best we can hope for is for horses w like Medina Spirit, Chrome and Rich Strike to outperform their unfashionable pedigrees.
- Katewerk
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I'd be more disappointed if he was a 3 year old, but as the horse was denied a 2 year old campaign due to what looks to be a serious injury (the scarring is significant), I don't begrudge them the retirement.
The industry is what it is. He's turning 5. The pressure had to be immense to preserve his stud value and not lose a year in revenue, combined with the impossible task of pleasing fans and critics or the disaster of a breakdown or accident.
Until the ponzi scheme that is the breeding part of the industry receives a correction, those financial realities will prevail. The best we can hope for is for multi year campaigns by horses like Medina Spirit, Chrome and Rich Strike who outperform their unfashionable pedigrees.
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