2022 Keeneland November Sale

[Squeaky]

Avengers doing some house ( barn) cleaning

[brunanas]

Avengers doing some house ( barn) cleaning

yes, i noticed they're selling quite a lot. including many of their expensive yearlings.

→ #5013 Classier (4yo) $775,000 G3W;
→ #5014 Clooney (2yo) $760,000 debuts on Friday;
→ #5020 Coppola (3yo) $800,000 2 wins in 3 starts;
→ #5035 Doppelganger (3yo) $570,000 G2P;
→ #5067 Gilmore (2yo) $250,000 unraced;
→ #5077 Hopkins (4yo) $900,000 winless in 2 starts;
→ #5117 Massimo (2yo) $575,000 winless in 3 starts, SP;
→ #5119 Mauritius (3yo) $130,000 winless in 2 starts;
→ #5122 McLaren Vale (3yo) $625,000 G2P;
→ #5149 Nullarbor (2yo) $500,000 unplaced in 2 starts;
→ #5173 Quincy Market (2yo) $300,000 unraced
→ #5181 Rhetoric (3yo) $600,000 1 win in 5 starts;
→ #5183 Rockefeller (3yo) $750,000 G2W;
→ #5193 Savile Row (4yo) PS 1 win in 3 starts;
→ #5222 Speedy Politi (3yo) $200,000 unraced;
→ #5223 Spielberg (4yo) $1,000,000 G2W, G1P;
→ #5268 Andros (3yo) $585,000 unplaced in 1 start, dam is half to Pioneerof the Nile.

with some of these yearling prices, i wonder what their reserve was set at. though i believe you can't ask much for most of them

[brunanas]

some other interesting horses selling (that i recognize):

→ #5036 Dr Jack (4yo) half brother to Nest;
→ #5063 Fulsome (4yo) MG3W;
→ #5074 Helium (4yo) G2W, ran 8th in the KYD last year;
→ #5149 Bletchley Park (3yo) $2,600,000 2yo

[Squeaky]

some other interesting horses selling (that i recognize):

→ #5036 Dr Jack (4yo) half brother to Nest;
→ #5063 Fulsome (4yo) MG3W;
→ #5074 Helium (4yo) G2W, ran 8th in the KYD last year;
→ #5149 Bletchley Park (3yo) $2,600,000 2yo

Bletchley Park for Coolmore one second in 3 starts- earnings- 16k.

[Squeaky]

I guess their “ winners” and stallions make up for these multimillion dollar losses?

[brunanas]

I guess their “ winners” and stallions make up for these multimillion dollar losses?

apparently. i have to look into their million dollar purchases some other time. the few i've looked into (when i researched 500k+ KEESEP yearlings) reaaaally didn't pan out.

[Northport]

I guess their “ winners” and stallions make up for these multimillion dollar losses?

For Coolmore, for sure. For the "Avengers"... idk man. From what I can remember, the only stallion that all those partners owned together from start to finish that has gone to stud for a high fee is Charlatan. Starlight and Madaket/Head of Plains had shares Justify and Authentic, while SF Racing, Fred Hertrich, John Fielding, and Golconda Stables sold their shares in Authentic to Spendthrift before the Santa Anita Derby, definitely for a profit but probably not as profitable as 250 mares a year for $75,000 for two or three years.

[brunanas]

I guess their “ winners” and stallions make up for these multimillion dollar losses?

For Coolmore, for sure. For the "Avengers"... idk man. From what I can remember, the only stallion that all those partners owned together from start to finish that has gone to stud for a high fee is Charlatan. Starlight and Madaket/Head of Plains had shares Justify and Authentic, while SF Racing, Fred Hertrich, John Fielding, and Golconda Stables sold their shares in Authentic to Spendthrift before the Santa Anita Derby, definitely for a profit but probably not as profitable as 250 mares a year for $75,000 for two or three years.

i've looked into their purchases once and most of them don't work out. their thing literally is making stallions, so once they're deemed "not stallion material" they're either resold or sent to the claiming ranks. idk how they keep themselves alive in this sport with so many horses not paying half of their purchase price, let alone all training fees etc.

[Flanders]

Its why they buy horses as a partnership, as opposed to buying horses by themselves. Also by working together they don't have to bid against each other on horses. Sometimes they talk the sellers into staying in on horses and being part of the partnership, so they don't have to pay as much to buy the horse. They are all rich so if they were each going to spend X million a year to buy horses, going in together means they can buy more and have a better chance of getting that big time stallion prospect.

Most of the expensive young horses bought at auction aren't going to make their purchase price back. I started to do a personal project a year or so ago but the scope of it soon ballooned out of what I wanted to do. I thought it would be interesting to go back over just the $1,000,000+ weanlings/yearlings/2yos that sold in the US since 2001. But the number of horses that it ended up being was staggering. So then I cut it back to just $2m+ and it was still a ton, I just made myself finish it.

114 yearlings
total price : $370,750,000
earnings: approximately $16,206,255 (I could not find earnings for a few horses after were sold to Saudi Arabia, etc)
2 millionaires (one earned $2m, the other $2.5m)
1 Champion
4 G1SWs (including the Champion) / 3 G1p
7 G2 / 2 G2p
4 G3 / 6 G3p
5 SW / 4 Sp
2 were unnamed, including a current 2yo. The other died at 2 before she could be named.
20 Unraced (including 2 unnamed)
0 earned their purchase price back on the track

If the money spent is completely ignored the stats aren't bad. Its almost 13% GSWs, 18% SWs and 30% SHs.

[brunanas]

Midnight Bisou, in foal to Tapit, has been supplemented to Book 1.
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/m ... -november/

[BaroqueAgain1]

Anyone want to guess what she might sell for? I'm thinking top price/nearly top price for Session 1.

[Diver52]

Anyone want to guess what she might sell for? I'm thinking top price/nearly top price for Session 1.

She's by Midnight Lute, who is not commercial (although IMO underrated).

[brunanas]

Anyone want to guess what she might sell for? I'm thinking top price/nearly top price for Session 1.

She's by Midnight Lute, who is not commercial (although IMO underrated).

how does he do as a broodmare sire?

[Mylute]

Not being by a commercial sire doesn't hurt mares the way it does stallions, but Midnight Lute has been decent enough to stay at Hill N Dale his entire career.

[Flanders]

She sold for $5 million in 2020. I would imagine she'd be around that again.

As for Midnight Lute as a broodmare sire, his first crop was born in 2010. So he hasn't had a ton of starters as a broodmare sire. He has had 180 starters, 107 winners, 7 SWs, earnings of $8,299,513.

2022 is the first year he has appeared on the Leading Broodmare Sire list. 5 of the stakes winners were new this year, so as his daughters get older and have more starters, his numbers should improve. Midnight Memories might be his best as a broodmare sire so far, its really hard to find names.

[CoronadosQuest]

I hope Pope or Stonestreet gets Midnight Bisou.

[brunanas]

I hope Pope or Stonestreet gets Midnight Bisou.

i wouldn't be surprised if she goes to Japan.

[CoronadosQuest]

I hope Pope or Stonestreet gets Midnight Bisou.

i wouldn't be surprised if she goes to Japan.

I could see Pope wanting to add her to her already sparkling group of star mares.

[brunanas]

when does the sale start?

[KatieK101]

when does the sale start?

Technically 12:30 for the fractional interest in Flightline. The sale starts at 1pm (EST).