Exceptional Crosses

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KatieK101
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Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:30 pm

I really enjoy keeping up with pedigrees and crosses, and a statistic caught my eye after Dynamic One's win in the Suburban:

"Union Rags/Smart Strike the gift that keeps on giving with 7 SW from 31 starters (23%), 5 GSW, including today's Suburban Handicap (G2) winner Dynamic One. Gdam, Champion Storm Flag Flying, third dam My Flag, fourth dam Personal Engsign..."
-- Pedigree Consultants on Twitter

After some digging, the other four GSWs to come from this cross are G1W Union Strike, G2Ws Spielberg and Caramel Swirl, and G3W Bees and Honey.

And now I'm just curious, what are some other sire/dam sire crosses that seem to work exceptionally well with each other? I'm mainly interested in the US lines since I don't follow international pedigrees very closely but I'm open to any insight! I may turn this into a personal project soon :)
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ThreeMustangs
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Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:58 pm

Galileo over Danehill. Frankel is the leading example.
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Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:06 pm

I can think of a few promising crosses with <20 starters (like Into Mischief / Speightstown or Speightstown / Tapit), but I won't include their statistics because I don't think the numbers are sufficient. Here are the ones that came to mind right off the bat:
  • War Front / Galileo has 11 SW from 82 starters (13% SW, 66% winners from starters). G1Ws include Roly Poly, U S Navy Flag, and Fog of War.
  • Curlin / A.P. Indy has 9 SW from 51 starters (18% SW, 71% winners from starters). G1Ws include Nest, Idol, Malathaat, and Global Campaign.
  • Medaglia d'Oro / Distorted Humor has 8 SW from 54 starters (15% SW, 67% winners from starters). G1Ws include Elate, New Money Honey, and Golden Sixty.
I might come back later after I think about a few more, but those are the only ones I thought of (and had the time to verify) for now.
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Flanders
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Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:28 pm

Curlin over Bernardini mares has produced 24% SWs. 21 starters, 16 winners, 8 SWs. Including G1 Clairiere, Paris Lights, G2 Point of Honor, Cezanne, G3 Spice is Nice.
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Which crosses have worked best with UBS mares?
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KatieK101 wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:30 pm I really enjoy keeping up with pedigrees and crosses, and a statistic caught my eye after Dynamic One's win in the Suburban:

"Union Rags/Smart Strike the gift that keeps on giving with 7 SW from 31 starters (23%), 5 GSW, including today's Suburban Handicap (G2) winner Dynamic One. Gdam, Champion Storm Flag Flying, third dam My Flag, fourth dam Personal Engsign..."
-- Pedigree Consultants on Twitter

After some digging, the other four GSWs to come from this cross are G1W Union Strike, G2Ws Spielberg and Caramel Swirl, and G3W Bees and Honey.

And now I'm just curious, what are some other sire/dam sire crosses that seem to work exceptionally well with each other? I'm mainly interested in the US lines since I don't follow international pedigrees very closely but I'm open to any insight! I may turn this into a personal project soon :)
Start breaking down sire stats based on female family haplotype of broodmare and you end up with some intriguing patterns.
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Retrospectiv
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Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:15 pm

I don't know the numbers, but Frankel over Dubawi is looking very potent.
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Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:13 pm

AP Indy with Mr. P ...legendary

Curlin/AP Indy...Curlin/Bernardini....on it’s way
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ThreeMustangs
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:05 am

This is a good article on European nicks.

https://theownerbreeder.com/columns/tri ... that-work/

Galileo over Pivotal returns 36.4% BTWs.
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