Stallion News

[SukiSatsuki]

Yes thank you lol!
As an aside, Cairo Prince is actually several spots lower than Bodemeister on the National sires list but he is #3 second crop sire.

And about American Pharoah - his yearling average is more than twice his initial stud fee, he was #1 for a while on the First Year stallions list, and now even at #2 not much currently separates him from #1. He'll be fine. He has survived the toughest 3rd year at stud test with his offspring performing well.

One of APs sons is in Bagdahd one of the workers there since a admin of a facebook racing group a video of him breeding a mare. Grey horse,half to a major runner dont remember the name

That's 100% Hong Kong (by American Pharoah), he's gray half brother to Caravaggio.

Yes! Thank you! I swore though he was a half to a War Front! I wanna know how the hell they ended up with him

[Mylute]

Yes it's definitely Hong Kong. I'm pretty sure I'm the one that "found" him on FB but I don't remember linking to a FB group, just a page.

I also don't remember a breeding video. I do remember a short clip of Hong Kong frolicking in a round pen.

[SukiSatsuki]

Yes it's definitely Hong Kong. I'm pretty sure I'm the one that "found" him on FB but I don't remember linking to a FB group, just a page.

I also don't remember a breeding video. I do remember a short clip of Hong Kong frolicking in a round pen.

It might have been a breeding video might not have been but one of my friends was sent a video of him. But like who thought "yes lets sell this guy to bagdahd"

[Northport]

Kitten’s Joy has died. Shared on the facebook page of Ramsey Farm. No other details given.

[Ziggypop]

Kitten’s Joy has died. Shared on the facebook page of Ramsey Farm. No other details given.

Oh no!

[brunanas]

One of APs sons is in Bagdahd one of the workers there since a admin of a facebook racing group a video of him breeding a mare. Grey horse,half to a major runner dont remember the name

do you remember the Facebook group? i didn't even know AP had sons at stud other than the few ones already in the USA and Four Wheel Drive. i have no idea who that horse might be and now i'm curious to find out lol

No i dont but let me look

i'd appreciate it i kinda have to join a few more racing FB groups. i'm just in one or 2 lol

[BaroqueAgain1]

No.....
He's only 21, which seems young to me.

[Northport]

The modern Thoroughbred breeding stallion doesn’t seem to live much past 23 or 24. Obviously you have your AP Indy’s and Forty Niners, but then you have your Empire Maker, El Prado, Galileo, Mastercraftsman, Kingmambo, Deep Impact, Sunday Silence, Pulpit, etc.

Maybe it’s recency bias, or I am just more personally familiar with ponies and warmbloods. Or young(er) stallions dying get more headlines.

[SukiSatsuki]

Poor Kittens Joy

[CoronadosQuest]

Kitten’s Joy has died. Shared on the facebook page of Ramsey Farm. No other details given.

Nooo, he wasn't even that old. RIP Kitten

[Flanders]

Kitten’s Joy has died. Shared on the facebook page of Ramsey Farm. No other details given.

Heart attack
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... dies-at-21

[BaroqueAgain1]

I can't imagine how devastated Ken Ramsey is. He just lost his wife, Sarah, on May 30 this year, so suddenly losing his beloved stallion now must be doubly painful.
I wonder if we will see Ken retire from racing and breeding soon.

[TwilightTear]

Kitten’s Joy has died. Shared on the facebook page of Ramsey Farm. No other details given.

Heart attack
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... dies-at-21

His sire and dam were also relatively short-lived. El Prado died of an apparent heart attack in his paddock at age 20, and Kitten's First was euthanized due to laminitis at 15. (She had a hard-luck life, though.)

Run free, Kitten's Joy.

[TapitsGal]

I can't imagine how devastated Ken Ramsey is. He just lost his wife, Sarah, on May 30 this year, so suddenly losing his beloved stallion now must be doubly painful.
I wonder if we will see Ken retire from racing and breeding soon.

He made a comment in the bloodhorse article that was along the lines of "it sucks losing my wife and my favorite horse so close together". My heart breaks for ken. He adored that horse

[Mylute]

He was my favorite stallion. RIP.

[Miss Woodford]

The modern Thoroughbred breeding stallion doesn’t seem to live much past 23 or 24. Obviously you have your AP Indy’s and Forty Niners, but then you have your Empire Maker, El Prado, Galileo, Mastercraftsman, Kingmambo, Deep Impact, Sunday Silence, Pulpit, etc.

Maybe it’s recency bias, or I am just more personally familiar with ponies and warmbloods. Or young(er) stallions dying get more headlines.

Some lines may have inherited issues but I'd say much of it is the younger stallions making the headlines. For every one of those there's a Dynaformer, Cozzene, Pivotal, Distorted Humor, Sadler's Wells, Storm Cat, Dixieland Band, Crafty Prospector, Seeking the Gold, Langfuhr, etc.

[Missbeholder]

The modern Thoroughbred breeding stallion doesn’t seem to live much past 23 or 24. Obviously you have your AP Indy’s and Forty Niners, but then you have your Empire Maker, El Prado, Galileo, Mastercraftsman, Kingmambo, Deep Impact, Sunday Silence, Pulpit, etc.

Maybe it’s recency bias, or I am just more personally familiar with ponies and warmbloods. Or young(er) stallions dying get more headlines.

Some lines may have inherited issues but I'd say much of it is the younger stallions making the headlines. For every one of those there's a Dynaformer, Cozzene, Pivotal, Distorted Humor, Sadler's Wells, Storm Cat, Dixieland Band, Crafty Prospector, Seeking the Gold, Langfuhr, etc.

Is it possible that there could be a connection between younger deaths and the massive increase in book sizes + shuttling over the last few decades? I realize that the causes of death in these horses are inconsistent with each other, to say the least. You can't pin them on one type of cause or another. But I'm wondering if there might be an underlying connection there.

[Mylute]

I don't think you can really say deaths are because of X or Y or Z more predominantly.

You can have horses that are the same age and same breed be in wildly different conditions in their early 20s.

Also, while cardiac issues definitely seem to be very common in thoroughbreds, you also have to consider that even if they weren't breeding large books consistently, they were sporthorses while racing. Sports take a toll regardless of the athlete's health.

[Katewerk]

Thoroughbred breeding has selected for speed and endurance in combination, at levels that are well beyond the normal scope of the garden variety equine. When humans push the envelope in the genetics of domestic animal breeding in the pursuit of high performance or novelty, there are physiological trade-offs, and sometimes they include fragility and reduced lifespans.

[Flanders]

I'm not sure if its just perspective, easily accessible information with the internet or that is how its always been. An old stallion dying doesn't make as much of a shock memory as a young(er) stallion does. There are plenty of stallions who live to old age but yes there are ones who die young as well. But even before big books, just throwing some names out Bold Ruler, Nasrullah, Buckpasser, Fappiano, Unbridled(didn't cover huge books), The Minstrel, Ajdal, Tate Gallery, Bold Reasoning, Reviewer, Nearctic, Dr. Fager, Easy Goer, etc. all died under 20. But could also make a list of stallions who lived past 25.

If you go to Bloodhorse and search "infirmities of old age" with the quotations, its used for horses 20+. So my question is, what is the cutoff for young(er) vs old for a thoroughbred? I think its a case by case basis. There are stallions like Forty Niner, Raja Baba, Storm Cat, etc. who made it to 30+ but then there are 21yo stallions being euthanized for infirmities of old age. Is a stallion getting to 25 an accomplishment or should it be the norm? I always thought it was more rare, getting to 30 certainly is.

Also can throw Awad in here as an example, he was never shuttled, never bred big books and was pensioned in 2006. He died from a heart attack at age 21 in his paddock.

Certainly big books and shuttling have been the cause of some stallions early deaths. I just don't know that a correlation can be drawn from one to the other, simply because the causes of death have such a range of causes and stallions under 20 were dying before big books and shuttling.

Its most likely just genetics like katewerk said. Some win and get the genes that let them live alongtime, others don't, the same with humans.