Across the pond

BaroqueAgain1 · Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:20 pm

IMHO, if Frankie had just said that he wished the trip on Stadivarius had developed differently, or maybe even humbly blamed himself, this schism might not have happened. But iirc, Dettori said something along the lines that Strad wouldn't have been able to beat the 'younger' horses anyway.
That was something he should never have said. By doing so, he broke a kind of trust between Gosden and himself. You never blame the horse...especially a beloved and brave champion like Strad. If he actually felt that way, he should have discussed it privately with Gosden.
If Frankie doesn't ride for the Gosdens for a while...or forever...he has only himself to blame.

barbaro111 · Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:52 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:20 pm IMHO, if Frankie had just said that he wished the trip on Stadivarius had developed differently, or maybe even humbly blamed himself, this schism might not have happened. But iirc, Dettori said something along the lines that Strad wouldn't have been able to beat the 'younger' horses anyway.
That was something he should never have said. By doing so, he broke a kind of trust between Gosden and himself. You never blame the horse...especially a beloved and brave champion like Strad. If he actually felt that way, he should have discussed it privately with Gosden.
If Frankie doesn't ride for the Gosdens for a while...or forever...he has only himself to blame.

Exactly---Frankie made excuses and did not take ownership of his lousy ride
, and instead blamed the horse!!! it was too much for Mr Gosden!!!!

Starine · Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:53 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:20 pm IMHO, if Frankie had just said that he wished the trip on Stadivarius had developed differently, or maybe even humbly blamed himself, this schism might not have happened. But iirc, Dettori said something along the lines that Strad wouldn't have been able to beat the 'younger' horses anyway.
That was something he should never have said. By doing so, he broke a kind of trust between Gosden and himself. You never blame the horse...especially a beloved and brave champion like Strad. If he actually felt that way, he should have discussed it privately with Gosden.
If Frankie doesn't ride for the Gosdens for a while...or forever...he has only himself to blame.

Well said.

ribot90 · Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:45 am

Starine wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:53 pm
BaroqueAgain1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:20 pm IMHO, if Frankie had just said that he wished the trip on Stadivarius had developed differently, or maybe even humbly blamed himself, this schism might not have happened. But iirc, Dettori said something along the lines that Strad wouldn't have been able to beat the 'younger' horses anyway.
That was something he should never have said. By doing so, he broke a kind of trust between Gosden and himself. You never blame the horse...especially a beloved and brave champion like Strad. If he actually felt that way, he should have discussed it privately with Gosden.
If Frankie doesn't ride for the Gosdens for a while...or forever...he has only himself to blame.
Well said.

Sad it was all played out in public - have huge respect for both of them.
I would just say on the Stradivarius run - it was clear there was no pace in the race so why not put a pace maker in Ballymacoll, Ballydoyle , Juddmonte along with Godolpin have all done in group/grade 1.

So latest news is Frankie will ride at least until end of 2023 season so not retiring

ribot90 · Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:52 am

every interesting and sometime could cause an upset - maybe Lionel or French Claim for value - will watch for sure

ThreeMustangs · Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:13 am

Anybody else see Blackbeard’s antics before the start of the Railway S? I’ve never seen a horse do that before a race.

20hayes20 · Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:42 am

What A horse Trueshan and what a ride from Hollie Doyle winning the Northumberland Plate carry 10 stone 8 pound

Giving 26 pounds to the runner up.

Hayes

20hayes20 · Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:43 am

ThreeMustangs wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:13 am Anybody else see Blackbeard’s antics before the start of the Railway S? I’ve never seen a horse do that before a race.

Yes i saw that Three Mustangs

Hayes

ThreeMustangs · Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:52 am

Westover romped in the Irish Derby. Always happy to see another classic winner for Frankel.

20hayes20 · Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:10 am

Looking forward to the King George

Desert Crown v Westover.

Tuesday was a big disapointment

Hayes

ThreeMustangs · Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:28 am

20hayes20 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:10 am Looking forward to the King George

Desert Crown v Westover.

Tuesday was a big disapointment

Hayes

Not the best ride from Ryan. He had her way too far back. But I don’t think anyone was beating Westover today.

ThreeMustangs · Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:19 pm

ThreeMustangs wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:13 am Anybody else see Blackbeard’s antics before the start of the Railway S? I’ve never seen a horse do that before a race.

Video of Blackbeard acting up before the start. He’s also done it before his other races.

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Mylute · Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:21 pm

Blackbeard looks really short, is it just the camera angle?

BaroqueAgain1 · Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:23 pm

Well, that was....interesting? Sort of reminds me of Zenyatta's "dancing" before her races, a high-strutting action that her trainer said was because she had so much energy, and 'dancing' helped her express that nervous energy in a controlled manner. Blackbeard looks like he hasn't figured out how to express HIS nervous energy in a 'controlled manner'

Maybe he's trying to be a break dancer?

Starine · Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:58 pm

Westover was very impressive and yes, Hayes, him versus Desert Crown should be very exciting.

Not sure what to make of Blackbeard's antics.

ThreeMustangs · Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:54 am

La Petite Coco won the Pretty Polly (G1) at the Curragh. She hadn’t raced since September.

I really wish the RacingTV announcer would stop referring to these fillies and mares as “he” or “it.”

BaroqueAgain1 · Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:48 pm

I hate it when race callers/announcers refer to horses as "IT." The Australian callers are the worst. I don't know if it's because the fields are often large and have both genders racing, so it's too much work to separate the genders. Lazy?

Or maybe Aussies consider horses to be like toasters or bicycles? Just things with no sex?

Northport · Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:49 pm

Confirmations for this Saturday’s Coral Eclipse:

Alenquer
Bay Bridge
Dubai Honour
High Definition
Lord North
Mishriff
Real World
Aikhal
Native Trail
Stone Age
Vadeni

With no clear superstars but a couple horses on the cusp, this could be the best renewal in at least the last 10 years. Hopefully they all stand their ground and no one scratches. I like Real World, Aikhal, and Vadeni.

BaroqueAgain1 · Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:24 pm

Hopefully no one attaches Lord North's blindfold (if he has to wear one again) to his bridle so snugly that the jockey can't get it off again.

Northport · Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:30 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:24 pm Hopefully no one attaches Lord North's blindfold (if he has to wear one again) to his bridle so snugly that the jockey can't get it off again.

Wonder who will ride him… I would guess James Doyle.