Pedigree Talk

[BaroqueAgain1]

Standardbreds often have the farm/breeder name included in their names, and many farms have the name of some famous stallion (like Hanover) in their name.

[RugbyGirl]

Not sure where else to ask this.

People more familiar with standardbreds: why is gray so apparently rare for them?

Probably a similar reason to why there aren't many Thoroughbred grey horses in the Southern Hemisphere. We have had champion super stallions like Zabeel and Danehill and their sire sons being mostly bay dominant and nothing like Tapit down here (with a minor exception for Reliable Man) the grey is mostly bred out of them.

[ribot90]

RugbyGirl so I'm trying to find out about the following stallions who stood in Australia and NZ. I've tried the Studbooks, Thoroughbredvillage forum, racing.com, racingmuseum australia, and nzthoroughbred.co.nz all with no joy. So hoping you can help. I'm a small owner/breeder in England and doing some research on old pedigrees. What I'll like to know is when these stallions died and if known what of, also their height.
Sorry it's a few

1993 Spartacus by Snippets is he still alive
1973 Galway Bay by Sassafras died 1987 or 88? Napier Park Stud Euroa Victoria Aust

1967 Bismark by Relic died 1990? was sold in 1981 to Austalian interest - he had stood at Jim Campin's , Chequers Stud , Cambridge

1986 Prince Salieri (AUS) by Salieri-Ardsley Stud, Masterton - died 2003ish?

1991 Beautiful Crown by Chief's Crown Alanbridge Stud, N.S.W - died 2014 ?

1960 Romantic by Princely Gift - died 1973 ?

1954 Messmate by Blue Peter - Balcarees Stud, Matamata NZ .. 1975?

1978 Classic Go Go by Pago Pago - Pensioned in 1998 not sure when he died

1937 Helios by Hyperion - died 1967 - correct height 16.05 - can you confirm
1936 Dhoti by Dastur - died 1953 - Correct height 15.20 - can you confirm

1970 Saulingo by Sing Sing - died1984?
1973 Gwent by Welsh Pageant - early 1980 - I had a half sister to him by Troy and still have the female line
1967 Without Fear by Baldric - died 1989 ?
1975 Zauberer by Soderini - died 1984?

1933 Talking (AUS) by Magpie died 1958 or 1959
1936 Atout Maitre by Vatout - died 1959 / 1960

1942 Delville Wood died 1965?

New
Tierce (AUS) born 1988 by Victory Prince
Beau Repaire (NZ) born 1936 by Beau Pere
Tiapan (1963) by Bold Ruler - sire in NZ

really hope you can help

[ThreeMustangs]

Poor Ed. This did not age well.

The Storm Cat Kentucky Derby Curse: Betting Angle or Trivia?

http://www.brisnet.com/content/2018/02/ ... le-trivia/

Three of the last four Derby winners descend in sire line from Storm Cat, including both Medina Spirit and Mandaloun.

[Gemini]

Poor Ed. This did not age well.

The Storm Cat Kentucky Derby Curse: Betting Angle or Trivia?

http://www.brisnet.com/content/2018/02/ ... le-trivia/

Three of the last four Derby winners descend in sire line from Storm Cat, including both Medina Spirit and Mandaloun.

Things change. At the time it was a valid point of interest.

[Miesque1973]

Not sure where else to ask this.

People more familiar with standardbreds: why is gray so apparently rare for them?

I admit that I know very little about Standardbreds, but Greyhound is the only grey one I've ever heard of, and he was a gelding. If he had been left entire and gone to stud, there might be more greys out there now. Or not.

~Miesque

[ribot90]

I'm posting here not sure if I should post here or under another section

when died they died (year) and if known what of - also their height
BRAZIL
born 1935 Legend of France by Dark Legend
born 1930 King Salmon by Salmon-Trout
born 1934 Teleferique by Bacteriophage
born 1950 Dragon Blanc by Brantome
born 1929 Royal Dancer by Blandford
born 1931 Formasterus by Asterus
born 1947 Maki (BRZ) by Formasterus

born 1973 Youth by Ack Ack - when did he died late 1980's I think - do we know what of and when?
born 1962 I Say by SAYAJIRAO
born 1976 Clackson (BRZ) by I Say

born 1955 Major Portion by Court Martial I think may have died late 1970's - do we know what off and when?

born 1968 Kublai Khan (ARG) by Sideral (ARG)
born 1968 Falkland by Right Royal V

born 1986 Legal Case by Alleged

born 1965 Felicio (FR) by Shantung
born 1983 Itajara (BRZ) died 1995 aged 12 any idea what off ? also his height?
born 1991 Siphon (BRZ) by Itajara is he still alive? what is his height

born 1987 Confidential Talk by Damascus died 2008 aged 21 - what was his height - also his progeny what was there average winning distant?

born 1972 Konigssee by Soderini -

born 1942 Coaraze by Tourbillon
born 1961 Dulcor (BRZ) by Coaraze

born 1953 Svengali (BRZ) by Fort Napoleon
born 1944 Sandjar by Goya

born 1964 St. Chad by St. Paddy

born 1948 Pharas (FR) by Pharis

[ribot90]

so here are the Argentina stallion


b. 1961 Con Brio - - height and when he died and what if , if known
b. 1981 Fitzcarroldo - height and when he died and what if , if known
b. 1974 Cipayo - height and when he died and what if , if known
b. 1955 Lacydon - height and when he died and what if , if known
b.1962 Cambremont - height and when he died and what if , if known
b. 1952 Tatan - height and when he died and what if , if known
b.1943 THE YUVARAJ - height and when he died and what if , if known
b.1934 Full Sail - height and when he died and what if , if known
b.1943 SEDUCTOR - height and when he died and what if , if known
b.1948 Sideral - height and when he died and what if , if known
b.1959 EL CENTAURO - height and when he died and what if , if known

[ThreeMustangs]

Poor Ed. This did not age well.

The Storm Cat Kentucky Derby Curse: Betting Angle or Trivia?

http://www.brisnet.com/content/2018/02/ ... le-trivia/

Three of the last four Derby winners descend in sire line from Storm Cat, including both Medina Spirit and Mandaloun.

Things change. At the time it was a valid point of interest.

My point was that it went from 0-fer to a 75% win rate.

[Gemini]

Poor Ed. This did not age well.

The Storm Cat Kentucky Derby Curse: Betting Angle or Trivia?

http://www.brisnet.com/content/2018/02/ ... le-trivia/

Three of the last four Derby winners descend in sire line from Storm Cat, including both Medina Spirit and Mandaloun.

Things change. At the time it was a valid point of interest.

My point was that it went from 0-fer to a 75% win rate.

Oh of course. Given Storm Cat's influence on the breed, it was bound to change.

[ThreeMustangs]

Things change. At the time it was a valid point of interest.

My point was that it went from 0-fer to a 75% win rate.

Oh of course. Given Storm Cat's influence on the breed, it was bound to change.

True. I’ll be surprised if he’s not in the pedigree of this year’s winner.

[ThreeMustangs]

Why…?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Equestrian/com ... ame=iossmf

[Diver52]

Why…?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Equestrian/com ... ame=iossmf

Well, it works purty good in the Appalachians!

[brunanas]

Why…?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Equestrian/com ... ame=iossmf

here in Brazil we have a QH stallion whose dam is by his sire.. yup. i wish i could remember his name. he is a pretty popular stud though
update found it https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/don+principe+rojo

[brunanas]

Why…?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Equestrian/com ... ame=iossmf

this is a Shetland but might be one of the worst cases of inbreeding i've ever seen - https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/michigans+hart+breaker. if you look into his progeny a lot of them are also inbred in some way, majority very heavily inbred. disgusting

[brunanas]

Why…?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Equestrian/com ... ame=iossmf

last time i quote the family twig but i went through equibase really quick and that thing has a full sister.

[ThreeMustangs]

Full sister? Yikes. I hope they keep her away from her brother (and sire, for that matter).

Like someone said on Reddit, it’s not a family tree, it’s a wreath.

[Flanders]

Full sister? Yikes. I hope they keep her away from her brother (and sire, for that matter).

Like someone said on Reddit, it’s not a family tree, it’s a wreath.

their other full sister, Wild Angelina, also has a foal by the brother.
Nevada's Venus

and her other foal is by....her sire!
Nevada's Wild Rose

[Mylute]

[brunanas]

Full sister? Yikes. I hope they keep her away from her brother (and sire, for that matter).

Like someone said on Reddit, it’s not a family tree, it’s a wreath.

their other full sister, Wild Angelina, also has a foal by the brother.
Nevada's Venus

and her other foal is by....her sire!
Nevada's Wild Rose

were they trying to create a 7 legged horse with 3 heads and 18 eyes?