Breeders Cup 2021 @ Del Mar

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Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:53 pm

I asked earlier who we thought would be given the Sprinter Eclipses. What do we think? This division is always either a toss-up or a lock for X horse, it seems.

I think the two who'll end up with the most votes will be Jackie's Warrior and Dr. Schivel. Aloha West will get votes just by virtue of having won the BC Sprint.

I ask because Jackie's Warrior, while he has more wins overall, has 1 G1W, and more losses overall, though he made more starts than DS. Dr. Schivel also has 1 G1 and finished second by the slimmest of margins in the BC Sprint while Jackie's Warrior faded badly. Also, Dr. Schivel defeated older males twice in both of his GSWs while JW raced exclusively against 3yos aside from the BC.
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stark wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:34 pm Time to turn the page, what's the next debate, Eclipse Awards?

This was a good thread, thanks for participating with 25 pages here and another 5 pages in the Picks and Prayers. Most everybody took their swings and shrugged off their misses with class making it fun for everybody, hopefully a few found the cashiers line.

And then......along comes a poster who thought it necessary to remind us how crooked the game is and how stupid we are for contributing to it. She went on to tell us unnecessary personal stuff about her husband and her wedding, guess what....nobody cares, its the Breeders Cup day for chrissakes.

Maybe we can make a trade and get the "good read" Curtis back in exchange for her, I hope she doesn't let the door hit her on the way out.
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Having an emotional meltdown every time someone says something that isn’t 100% positive about the industry is an extremely good way to get people back into the sport and reduce negativity, lol.

I can see an argument for Dr. Schivel. Given the award’s history, I wouldn’t be shocked if it just goes to Aloha West though.

What about Turf Male? Domestic Spending, Yibir, Golden Pal? Turf Female goes to War Like Goddess, I hope.
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Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:20 pm

Modern Renaissance lost for words? Wow! This is the best she could do " :? "
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Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:48 pm

Mylute wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:53 pm I asked earlier who we thought would be given the Sprinter Eclipses. What do we think? This division is always either a toss-up or a lock for X horse, it seems.

I think the two who'll end up with the most votes will be Jackie's Warrior and Dr. Schivel. Aloha West will get votes just by virtue of having won the BC Sprint.

I ask because Jackie's Warrior, while he has more wins overall, has 1 G1W, and more losses overall, though he made more starts than DS. Dr. Schivel also has 1 G1 and finished second by the slimmest of margins in the BC Sprint while Jackie's Warrior faded badly. Also, Dr. Schivel defeated older males twice in both of his GSWs while JW raced exclusively against 3yos aside from the BC.
How about the Turf Sprint winner?
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Tessablue wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:59 pm Having an emotional meltdown every time someone says something that isn’t 100% positive about the industry is an extremely good way to get people back into the sport and reduce negativity, lol.

I can see an argument for Dr. Schivel. Given the award’s history, I wouldn’t be shocked if it just goes to Aloha West though.

What about Turf Male? Domestic Spending, Yibir, Golden Pal? Turf Female goes to War Like Goddess, I hope.
Domestic Spending had a really good year, too bad about missing the big day. I think him or Yibir. Golden Pal could be the Sprint category winner!
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I looked at both links, what's the big deal? How is any of it "white supremacist or skinhead" related? Good grief. People are allowed to voice their opinions, when was that a problem? Debate is healthy for society, we can agree to disagree without being ugly. And everyone is entitled to their opinions, and they don't have to fall in line with the "woke folks". And she is 100% spot on with the supply chain issues. I deal with this on a daily basis. Life is going to get really crappy here in the coming months due to the feckless administration in DC. But at least they don't "mean tweet". I'll take the mean tweets, at least gas was 1.85/gallon on Trump's last day, there was stuff in the stores, food in the grocery, and the world was safe. And NO marines had died in Afghanistan. I could get a truck driving less than 100 miles to deliver for about $150, now it's more like $450. Insanity. Let's go Brandon.
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Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:34 pm

>turf sprint

An even bigger question is champion turf male. Is it still Domestic Spending?
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Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:31 pm

Mylute wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:34 pm >turf sprint

An even bigger question is champion turf male. Is it still Domestic Spending?
Why not? He didn’t lose yesterday!!!
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Mylute wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:50 pm I love the pinto draft lead pony!
His name is Kong.
https://www.paulickreport.com/horse-car ... p-weekend/
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Mylute wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:50 am
Mylute wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:50 pm I love the pinto draft lead pony!
His name is Kong.
https://www.paulickreport.com/horse-car ... p-weekend/
Thanks. I was staring at him! And I knew there was Percheron somewhere in there.
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Delamont wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:08 am
Mylute wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:50 am
Mylute wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:50 pm I love the pinto draft lead pony!
His name is Kong.
https://www.paulickreport.com/horse-car ... p-weekend/
Thanks. I was staring at him! And I knew there was Percheron somewhere in there.
Not a bad weekend for him to make his race day debut at the breeders cup
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Mylute wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:50 am
Mylute wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:50 pm I love the pinto draft lead pony!
His name is Kong.
https://www.paulickreport.com/horse-car ... p-weekend/
Thanks! He's super cute. And I love that he's Kristin Mulhall's.
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Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:45 pm

Can anyone confirm that the assistant starter who was injured during the breeders cup races has died? That's the word that seems to be floating around but it hasn't been confirmed by either del Mar or the breeders cup organization which seems very odd...you'd think they'd release a statement
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Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:55 pm

What!? I heard one of the TVG hosts (maybe Sarge on Monday?) pass along information that he was going to be OK. Gave out his name, said he was bruised but, IIRC, nothing broken.
I would wait for something more official before I'd assume he has actually died. :? :(
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Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:58 pm

TapitsGal wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:45 pm Can anyone confirm that the assistant starter who was injured during the breeders cup races has died? That's the word that seems to be floating around but it hasn't been confirmed by either del Mar or the breeders cup organization which seems very odd...you'd think they'd release a statement
TVG had a tweet saying the man, Carl Wood, was doing ok on the 7th, but that is all I found.
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Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:48 pm

They announced on Saturday's broadcast that he was fine and back at the track.
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