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Northport
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Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:17 pm

I think I say this every year... but Lookin' At Lucky is a great deal at that price, in my opinion.
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Northport wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:17 pm I think I say this every year... but Lookin' At Lucky is a great deal at that price, in my opinion.
I think the same thing every year as well. Also a stallion like Speightstown- why did he never really reach that uppermost echelon of stud fees even though all he does is produce runners and winners and more importantly good stallion sons.
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CorridorZ75 wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:55 pm
Northport wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:17 pm I think I say this every year... but Lookin' At Lucky is a great deal at that price, in my opinion.
I think the same thing every year as well. Also a stallion like Speightstown- why did he never really reach that uppermost echelon of stud fees even though all he does is produce runners and winners and more importantly good stallion sons.
I'd consider him in the top bracket of stud fees. He used to stand for 100k for quite a few years. But his yearling sales results forced his stud fee down from that high a few years ago. I think that was probably because while yes he gets nice runners and is a great stallion that can get runners on any surface/distance, the big spending buyers are looking for Classic horses and I don't think Classic sire when I think of Speightstown. Sure he has gotten horses that are best at middle distances but I think sprint sire when I think of him. His stud fee did go back up to 90k for 2021 though.

I'd argue about the sire of good stallion sons though. Munnings yes, not any others though. I guess Central Banker is doing okay for a regional stallion.
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Private Thoughts wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:51 pm
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This is wonderful news! :)
Chrome is doing better at stud so far than his US sales results indicate. He has winners in the US, Canada, France, Japan, Chile and Russia. He has stakes winners in the US, Japan, Chile and Russia -- both colts and fillies. The Bloodhorse Leading 2nd Crop Sires list does not include the Southern Hemisphere stats, and I'm not sure they include smaller racing jurisdictions such as Russia.

So to see Chrome's 2nd Crop Sires standings in Bloodhorse, one has to sort that list by "Racing Area, North America" and "Standing Area Northern Hemisphere." By that sort, Chrome is #10 by progeny earnings and co-#1 by number of graded stakes winners. He has an excellent 42.7% winners to runners in the NA/NH sort, but a considerably higher percentage worldwide. Same with the black type winners stat. They only show 2, but he has stakes winners in other countries. Same with progeny earnings...the BH stats do not include his progeny earnings from the Southern Hemisphere (and possibly other smaller jurisdictions).

The other thing about the Chromes is that they are versatile. They have won on dirt, turf, synthetic, and on fast tracks and off tracks. They have won from 5f to over 1 1/8th miles. And some of them have been bought by sport horse owners.
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CorridorZ75 wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:55 pm
Northport wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:17 pm I think I say this every year... but Lookin' At Lucky is a great deal at that price, in my opinion.
I think the same thing every year as well. Also a stallion like Speightstown- why did he never really reach that uppermost echelon of stud fees even though all he does is produce runners and winners and more importantly good stallion sons.
I've always liked More Than Ready, and it looks like he is standing for $50K this year. Though I guess he doesn't have a great stallion son (although there was Sebring who looked promising and it'll be interesting to see how Daredevil continues to do).
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TwilightTear wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:26 am
CorridorZ75 wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:55 pm
Northport wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:17 pm I think I say this every year... but Lookin' At Lucky is a great deal at that price, in my opinion.
I think the same thing every year as well. Also a stallion like Speightstown- why did he never really reach that uppermost echelon of stud fees even though all he does is produce runners and winners and more importantly good stallion sons.
I've always liked More Than Ready, and it looks like he is standing for $50K this year. Though I guess he doesn't have a great stallion son (although there was Sebring who looked promising and it'll be interesting to see how Daredevil continues to do).
Same - he's a good looker, he sires good looking horses, he sires both dirt and grass horses, both male and female, and he's a good broodmare sire. To me, he's the total package, and $50k is a lot but a steal for him, really.
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starrydreamer wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:42 pm
TwilightTear wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:26 am
CorridorZ75 wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:55 pm

I think the same thing every year as well. Also a stallion like Speightstown- why did he never really reach that uppermost echelon of stud fees even though all he does is produce runners and winners and more importantly good stallion sons.
I've always liked More Than Ready, and it looks like he is standing for $50K this year. Though I guess he doesn't have a great stallion son (although there was Sebring who looked promising and it'll be interesting to see how Daredevil continues to do).
Same - he's a good looker, he sires good looking horses, he sires both dirt and grass horses, both male and female, and he's a good broodmare sire. To me, he's the total package, and $50k is a lot but a steal for him, really.
Agreed. He just quietly churns out G1 winners in two hemispheres year after year. He doesn’t get the fanfare that Danehill did, but I’d say he is the best duel hemisphere stallion since… well… Danehill.
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Three Chimneys fees:

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Flanders wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:29 pm Coolmore America 2022 stud fees

Stallion 2022 Fee 2021 Fee
Air Force Blue - $7,500 (down from $10,000)
American Pharoah - $80,000 (down from $100,000)
Caravaggio - $35,000 (up from $25,000)
Classic Empire - $17,500 (same)
Cupid - $5,000 (same)
Echo Town - $7,500 (down from $10,000)
Justify - $100,000 (down from $125,000)
Lookin At Lucky - $15,000 (down from $20,000)
Maximum Security - $15,000 (down from $20,000)
Mendelssohn - $35,000 (same)
Mo Town - $7,500 (same)
Munnings - $85,000 (up from $40,000)
Practical Joke - $35,000 (up from $22,500)
Tiz the Law - $35,000 (down from $40,000)
Uncle Mo - $160,000 (down from $175,000)
No announcement but Tale of the Cat must be pensioned.
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:22 pm

I don't have time right now to copy and post the fees:

Hill N Dale:
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... ill-n-dale

WinStar:
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... ion-roster
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Flanders wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:22 pm I don't have time right now to copy and post the fees:

Hill N Dale:
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... ill-n-dale

WinStar:
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... ion-roster
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:17 pm

Retrospectiv wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:54 pm
Flanders wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:29 pm Coolmore America 2022 stud fees

Stallion 2022 Fee 2021 Fee
Air Force Blue - $7,500 (down from $10,000)
American Pharoah - $80,000 (down from $100,000)
Caravaggio - $35,000 (up from $25,000)
Classic Empire - $17,500 (same)
Cupid - $5,000 (same)
Echo Town - $7,500 (down from $10,000)
Justify - $100,000 (down from $125,000)
Lookin At Lucky - $15,000 (down from $20,000)
Maximum Security - $15,000 (down from $20,000)
Mendelssohn - $35,000 (same)
Mo Town - $7,500 (same)
Munnings - $85,000 (up from $40,000)
Practical Joke - $35,000 (up from $22,500)
Tiz the Law - $35,000 (down from $40,000)
Uncle Mo - $160,000 (down from $175,000)
No announcement but Tale of the Cat must be pensioned.
Yes he is. I saw him yesterday and was told hes done
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:04 pm

He's 27, so that's to be expected. Hope he has many more years to enjoy retirement.
Are there anymore sons of Storm Cat still standing at stud?
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:33 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:04 pm He's 27, so that's to be expected. Hope he has many more years to enjoy retirement.
Are there anymore sons of Storm Cat still standing at stud?
Freud is offended you asked :D
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:23 pm

:oops: And I am embarrassed to have forgotten the full bro to Giant's Causeway.
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:23 pm :oops: And I am embarrassed to have forgotten the full bro to Giant's Causeway.
There's a lot, Bloodhorse has 45 but about half of them haven't had a stud fee update in a few years, which means they are most likely pensioned or gone. The previously mentioned Freud, being by far the best left. Bluegrass Cat is in Turkey, Yankee Gentleman (broodmare sire of American Pharoah) is in Louisiana. I know it feels like a really long time ago that he was pensioned but his youngest crop was born in 2009, though to be fair there was only a few foals in his last crop.
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:15 pm

Broken Vow pensioned.
A solid, beautiful horse. Sired some good ones.
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:56 pm

Is it me or does charlatan at 50k seem like he's overpriced?
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:25 pm

Not just you. :roll:
I also think Midnight Lute is a bargain at $15,000.
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TapitsGal wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:56 pm Is it me or does charlatan at 50k seem like he's overpriced?
Yes
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