To my eye, most seem to lack bone.Mylute wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:37 pm There is also one yearling in the Select Sale. Conceived in United States, dam sold to Japan at KeeNov 2020. His last US-based crop.
ch. c. o/o Rau Breck (Mr. Greeley) - Third dam Ballade, dam half to MG2W Shakis.
I know the definition of "stamp your progeny" doesn't include color but that...might need to change.
Interesting to note again, all colts, all chestnuts.
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All those foals and the yearling all have red (chestnut) dams. Red to red always produces red, that's just basic genetics so every chestnut mare he's bred will produce a chestnut foal. The bays would be dependent on the mare's genetics.Mylute wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:37 pm There is also one yearling in the Select Sale. Conceived in United States, dam sold to Japan at KeeNov 2020. His last US-based crop.
ch. c. o/o Rau Breck (Mr. Greeley) - Third dam Ballade, dam half to MG2W Shakis.
I know the definition of "stamp your progeny" doesn't include color but that...might need to change.
Interesting to note again, all colts, all chestnuts.
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So I went down a rabbit hole this weekend, and I think I came back up with some interesting thoughts regarding the breedings that are working with California Chrome.
To start, this all comes from the realization of what a great team Durbar , the Derby winner from the A4 female family, and 13-c member Frizette ( both her and some of her daughters ) made in the breeding shed. It made me look into how Chrome was doing with mares from this family just to see if there was an affinity there too. Taking advantage of the modern genetic advances, I translated the Bruce Low numbers of the mares bred him to the published mtDNA haplogroups/types which have shown that families 4, 11, and 13 are the same family (I2a1)and share the I2a group with some branches of other families as well. Taking all these together showed some pretty solid results.
For what it is worth, Chrome does appear to share the affinity with this matrilineal line. He has 17 starters from mares of this group: 9 have won (53%), and of the remaining 8, 5 have at least placed in races. Of the three that haven't won or placed, only one has started more than once. Of that 17, 3 are two year olds, including the two, Bid Once and Sol Dorado, that shared the photo finish in their first start this weekend. It isn't just that they are winning at a higher percentage either, this group includes a good percentage of his more highly rated first crop runners (Cilla, California Lily, Miss Delicious, Striking Chrome, Beachside Bunny, and Perseverancia) and the aforementioned Bid Once and Sol Dorado. This group also seems to like turf, allweather, and off tracks more than dry dirt.
In addition to the 14 first crop starters, Chrome has 4 more in his first crop, two of which appear to be in serious training and likely to start this year and another that is named, but does not appear to be in training (which is unfortunate as the filly is out of a grade 1-producing broodmare). The last one is not named and presumably will not likely make it to the track. In South America, of 6 starters from the family, he has 1 winner, Ocean California, and 1 placed. In both the US and South America what is intriguing is that he has more to come. His 2019 crop has 21 total and the 2020 crop has another 18. In South America , the second crop has over double the numbers from the first crop, 26 to 11.
Luckily in Japan, 26 of the foals born this year are from this female family group, which is about a quarter of his first crop. One of his runners in Japan this year, Erie Tesoro, is from this female family as well. She has only gone over dirt so far with her best finish a 4th place.
One of the foals on offer at the select sale this summer is from this female family, the colt out of Baroness Thatcher.
To start, this all comes from the realization of what a great team Durbar , the Derby winner from the A4 female family, and 13-c member Frizette ( both her and some of her daughters ) made in the breeding shed. It made me look into how Chrome was doing with mares from this family just to see if there was an affinity there too. Taking advantage of the modern genetic advances, I translated the Bruce Low numbers of the mares bred him to the published mtDNA haplogroups/types which have shown that families 4, 11, and 13 are the same family (I2a1)and share the I2a group with some branches of other families as well. Taking all these together showed some pretty solid results.
For what it is worth, Chrome does appear to share the affinity with this matrilineal line. He has 17 starters from mares of this group: 9 have won (53%), and of the remaining 8, 5 have at least placed in races. Of the three that haven't won or placed, only one has started more than once. Of that 17, 3 are two year olds, including the two, Bid Once and Sol Dorado, that shared the photo finish in their first start this weekend. It isn't just that they are winning at a higher percentage either, this group includes a good percentage of his more highly rated first crop runners (Cilla, California Lily, Miss Delicious, Striking Chrome, Beachside Bunny, and Perseverancia) and the aforementioned Bid Once and Sol Dorado. This group also seems to like turf, allweather, and off tracks more than dry dirt.
In addition to the 14 first crop starters, Chrome has 4 more in his first crop, two of which appear to be in serious training and likely to start this year and another that is named, but does not appear to be in training (which is unfortunate as the filly is out of a grade 1-producing broodmare). The last one is not named and presumably will not likely make it to the track. In South America, of 6 starters from the family, he has 1 winner, Ocean California, and 1 placed. In both the US and South America what is intriguing is that he has more to come. His 2019 crop has 21 total and the 2020 crop has another 18. In South America , the second crop has over double the numbers from the first crop, 26 to 11.
Luckily in Japan, 26 of the foals born this year are from this female family group, which is about a quarter of his first crop. One of his runners in Japan this year, Erie Tesoro, is from this female family as well. She has only gone over dirt so far with her best finish a 4th place.
One of the foals on offer at the select sale this summer is from this female family, the colt out of Baroness Thatcher.
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2021 colt(JPN) - California Chrome(USA) x Cigarette(IRE) by Sea The Stars(IRE) (3/4)
at Kon Bokujo
His second dam is Pisa No Tiffany(USA) and third dam is Tap Your Heels(USA)!
https://www.jbis.jp/horse/0001338656/
at Kon Bokujo
His second dam is Pisa No Tiffany(USA) and third dam is Tap Your Heels(USA)!
https://www.jbis.jp/horse/0001338656/
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Nice to see that California Chrome has a grade 2 stakes winner in Cilla, and at Saratoga. 
Makes my heart happy.
Makes my heart happy.
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That made me happy too.Private Thoughts wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:56 pm Nice to see that California Chrome has a grade 2 stakes winner in Cilla, and at Saratoga.
Makes my heart happy.
I think we'll end up seeing more useful stakes winners from Chrome before too long.
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I'd certainly hope so. 1 from 258 foals of racing age is nothing to write home about.Gemini wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:43 pmThat made me happy too.Private Thoughts wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:56 pm Nice to see that California Chrome has a grade 2 stakes winner in Cilla, and at Saratoga.
Makes my heart happy.
I think we'll end up seeing more useful stakes winners from Chrome before too long.
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The Cigarette colt is a damline descendant of Ruby Slippers and Moon Glitter.
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Definitely not, but it's not unreasonable to expect that CC's runners will improve a bit with age.Retrospectiv wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:23 pmI'd certainly hope so. 1 from 258 foals of racing age is nothing to write home about.Gemini wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:43 pmThat made me happy too.Private Thoughts wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:56 pm Nice to see that California Chrome has a grade 2 stakes winner in Cilla, and at Saratoga.
Makes my heart happy.
I think we'll end up seeing more useful stakes winners from Chrome before too long.
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Nephilim(JPN), 2019C. California Chrome(USA) x Like a Million(USA) by Street Sense(USA), broke his maiden at second ask, switched from the turf, in Nakayama 3R 1800m dirt on Sep 19th 2021!!!! 
He is the first JRA winner for the sire.
-- replay of Nakayama 3R, Sep 19th 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5ErUMGyIAQ
https://www.jbis.jp/horse/0001314490/
He is the first JRA winner for the sire.
-- replay of Nakayama 3R, Sep 19th 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5ErUMGyIAQ
https://www.jbis.jp/horse/0001314490/
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Well, his full sister, Beyond A Million, but she has not done much over in US. Sorry, I just saw you said winner, so yeah, I think so.
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Thank you for confirming!!CorridorZ75 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:18 pm Well, his full sister, Beyond A Million, but she has not done much over in US. Sorry, I just saw you said winner, so yeah, I think so.
His dam Like A Million(USA) [o/o Million Seller(USA) o/o Million Gift(JPN) o/o Maplejinsky(USA)] is a familiar name with her family line to me.
Both Beyond A Million(USA) and Nephilim(USA) are bred by Chiyoda Farm's Kentucky branch.
And, of side note, Tale of Ekati(USA) is from the same family.
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Not yet.
Maybe in a month or so?
I will let you know as soon as I find their update.
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Beyond A Million just won race 3 at Churchill!CorridorZ75 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:18 pm Well, his full sister, Beyond A Million, but she has not done much over in US. Sorry, I just saw you said winner, so yeah, I think so.
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A $10,000 maiden claiming. Wonder if she was claimed?
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She was not.BaroqueAgain1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:34 pm A $10,000 maiden claiming. Wonder if she was claimed?
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Hopefully she will be kept in allowance conditions now.