Black Thoroughbreds

TwilightTear · Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:06 pm

Oasis Dream wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:47 am Has Ironstone been listed? Holy cow, I just saw a photo of him and the person who took it, Julie Wright, mentioned him looking like The Black.
She wasn't kidding, her shot fit all of the day dreams I had back then about what The Black and his head would look like!
I tried to copy the link off of Twitter correctly but I'm not sure if I did.
"The Black? No, just Ironstone "
https://t.co/i9V7pLJobc

Oh, wow. Registered gray or not, in that photo, Ironstone DEFINITELY looks like The Black!

BaroqueAgain1 · Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:38 pm

If Ironstone is actually going to be grey, it appears he's still in the steel-black stage. Caravaggio looked like that when I first saw him race at Ascot; all black with just a few grey hairs showing in his tail.

Delamont · Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:58 pm

TwilightTear wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:06 pm
Oasis Dream wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:47 am Has Ironstone been listed? Holy cow, I just saw a photo of him and the person who took it, Julie Wright, mentioned him looking like The Black.
She wasn't kidding, her shot fit all of the day dreams I had back then about what The Black and his head would look like!
I tried to copy the link off of Twitter correctly but I'm not sure if I did.
"The Black? No, just Ironstone "
https://t.co/i9V7pLJobc
Oh, wow. Registered gray or not, in that photo, Ironstone DEFINITELY looks like The Black!

He does!

amydfrom73 · Sat Sep 04, 2021 10:04 am

A registered black filly from the Tattersalls Somerville Yearling Sale. By Brazen Beau (AUS) out of Last Word (GB) by Bated Breath (GB)

https://secure.tattersalls.com/4DCGI/Entry/Lot/SOM21/18

Mylute · Sat Sep 04, 2021 10:13 am

Not a thoroughbred actually but a pretty black Arabian Hargan (Al Mamun Monlau) won a G2 for Arabians in France.

I like the Brazen Beau filly. Very stout.

BaroqueAgain1 · Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:21 pm

I was curious to see what Hargan looks like. Google gave me these...and he is gorgeous:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Arabian ... yf5jcOWIfM
And....
https://www.qatarliving.com/forum/sport ... -challenge
And....
http://arabianhorseintl.com/Hargan_impr ... _d_Or.html
And....
https://m.gulf-times.com/story/699718/S ... -with-Grou
And his pedigree:
https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hargan+razi

Mylute · Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:09 pm

Pretty sure La Hara, who is entered in the Saratoga final, is black.
https://www.goffs.com/sales-results/sal ... hoto[p]/0/

starrydreamer · Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:37 am

Hip 2038 in the Keeneland September sale is registered dkb/br but looks black. I think he's very handsome.

https://catalog.keeneland.com/catalog/hip/2038

Mylute · Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:57 am

Azart Bars (Ergyias x Abrianna, by Lemon Drop Kid) won the G1 Pavlovsky Derby in Russia. The sire is a War Chant/Southern Fiction model who was a G2W in Russia. "Azart" is Russian for "excitement."

https://hippodrom.ru/modules/horses/hor ... e_id=48743

Mylute · Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:15 am

I notice he is wearing a Tonalist x Battle (?) halter but I'm supposing they will just reuse harnesses from the sale horses they bought on any horse.

Flanders · Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:36 pm

Mylute wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:15 am I notice he is wearing a Tonalist x Battle (?) halter but I'm supposing they will just reuse harnesses from the sale horses they bought on any horse.

Probably this one: https://www.pedigreequery.com/battle+king4 https://hippodrom.ru/modules/horses/hor ... e_id=46245

I would guess they save the nice leather halters for the best horses or maybe just photos? They probably use cheap nylon ones otherwise. When purse prices aren't high, which they aren't in Russia, spending 10x as much on leather halters probably isn't done often. I've noticed this in other countries as well where the purse prices aren't high. Like for example the purse for the Pavlovskiy Derby was 950000 Russian Rubles which is 13k USD.

Gemini · Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:07 pm

Mylute wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:57 am Azart Bars (Ergyias x Abrianna, by Lemon Drop Kid) won the G1 Pavlovsky Derby in Russia. The sire is a War Chant/Southern Fiction model who was a G2W in Russia. "Azart" is Russian for "excitement."

https://hippodrom.ru/modules/horses/hor ... e_id=48743

I wish more modern TBs looked like this one: streamlined and sleek.

Mylute · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:38 pm

To Be Fix (Bathyrhon x Lady Fix, by Turgeon) is registered "bay." She is the winning horse.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVnm7Bpo-f6/

Mylute · Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:16 pm

Implosion (Not This Time x Quite Explosive) is registered dark bay on PQ and Equibase, but is registered black through the Keeneland catalogue. She won Race 2 at Churchill today and looks black to me.

Gemini · Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:13 pm

There's a NY-bred filly by Central Banker named Quantitativbreezin who looks true black despite her "dk b/br" designation.

Katewerk · Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:23 am

Mylute wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:16 pm Implosion (Not This Time x Quite Explosive) is registered dark bay on PQ and Equibase, but is registered black through the Keeneland catalogue. She won Race 2 at Churchill today and looks black to me.

Gemini wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:13 pm There's a NY-bred filly by Central Banker named Quantitativbreezin who looks true black despite her "dk b/br" designation.

Should nominate that one for the Amusing Names thread.

HB1994 · Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:53 pm

Have to follow this little guy as he grows up. Al Beedaa is chestnut.

Brian Malloy @brianwmalloy
Some discussion with the passing of Erhaab that he was nearly black. He may have been black which is rare but does occur in Thoroughbreds. Here is Erhaab’s half-sister Al Beedaa with her Flintshire colt this spring. We genetically tested his coat and it came back a true black.

Video: https://twitter.com/brianwmalloy/status ... 12612?s=21

Retrospectiv · Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:40 pm

Black isn't really that rare, it just requires a horse to be E_ aa. Erhaab was definitely black.
Because black has many shades and some horses sun fade, some mineral fade etc it can be hard to determine if they are black. Shame genetic testing isn't more common in TBs.

HB1994 · Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:23 pm

Retrospectiv wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:40 pm Black isn't really that rare, it just requires a horse to be E_ aa. Erhaab was definitely black.
Because black has many shades and some horses sun fade, some mineral fade etc it can be hard to determine if they are black. Shame genetic testing isn't more common in TBs.

I’ve never heard of mineral fade—what is that? Too much or not enough of a given mineral?

Retrospectiv · Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:06 pm

HB1994 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:23 pm
Retrospectiv wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:40 pm Black isn't really that rare, it just requires a horse to be E_ aa. Erhaab was definitely black.
Because black has many shades and some horses sun fade, some mineral fade etc it can be hard to determine if they are black. Shame genetic testing isn't more common in TBs.
I’ve never heard of mineral fade—what is that? Too much or not enough of a given mineral?

Mineral defiency, often copper and zinc can effect how a coat fades (or doesn't).