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Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:26 pm

Frankel went 1 -3 and Sea The Stars sired the 2nd. Two of my all-time favorites, so I’m happy about that.

I hope Adayar has better post-Derby succes than Masar, Godolphin’s last Derby winner.
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I’m left feeling increasingly disappointed by the Derby, 12 in the field and again it was the owner/trainer filling the most slots who managed the winner.
We’ve been crying out for a great derby winner since Sea The Stars, the last 5 renewals have been dire and are a far cry from the race at its peak. It’s probably linked to the lack of indicative preps, most of these horses coming in off a few lifetime runs and a lot of yard hype. My favourite race is always the Guineas, it just always brings out class winners. Though, this is most likely due to milers being the most sought after. I hope the middle distance colts get an injection of class sometime soon, or the race will become a relic of past glory like the ascot gold cup.
Loved seeing Pyledriver win, I’ve back him in every race since his 4th start, I gave up a little after his shenanigans last start out and I shouldn’t have lost faith in the little terrier. I don’t think he’ll be in the double digits again now he’s a G1 winner.
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Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:01 pm

Adayar was so impressive and Adam Kirby is the nicest man.
And of course so happy for the team at Juddmonte and great horse himself, Frankel <3
I wonder if it would have been different if Mohaafeth had run. I'm on nights the week of Royal Ascot so I'm bound to sleep through it :(
A little bit gutted for John Leeper but he never looked the right shape for a run round Epsom but would have been nice for the Dunlops.

Been a lovely couple of days for the jocks, Adam Kirby and Martin Dwyer and a little bit of Frankie magic.
Snowfall vs Love, which does Moore choose?

Oh and of course, honourable mention to the best O'Brien's ever trained, Japan, for beating three horses home.
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Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:22 pm

TurfLover wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:01 pm Oh and of course, honourable mention to the best O'Brien's ever trained, Japan, for beating three horses home.
Don’t forget about Mogul. Does this mean we can stop considering him a legitimate G1 horse?

Also... does anyone else wonder how Saeed Bin Suroor still has a job? Charlie Appleby delivers every day of the week... Bin Suroor last won a G1 in England/Ireland in 2013.

Not to mention the multiple times he has gone to the press to say how the horses Godolphin sends him aren’t nice enough... aka they arent 3 year olds+ in training that were started other trainers
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Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:28 pm

wawawawait wait wait

So Adam Kirby was originally John Leeper's jock, then he gets booted when Coolmore releases Frankie Dettori, he picks up the mount on Adayar, and he upsets the Derby while John Leeper fades?

you love to see it
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Mylute wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:28 pm wawawawait wait wait

So Adam Kirby was originally John Leeper's jock, then he gets booted when Coolmore releases Frankie Dettori, he picks up the mount on Adayar, and he upsets the Derby while John Leeper fades?

you love to see it
There’s more to the story: Oisin Murphy had the ride on Adayar, but was bumped in favor of Kirby when he became available. Murphy was left without a ride.

https://www.racingpost.com/news/race-re ... ess/493571

To be fair, if I had to choose between Frankie and Kirby for my Derby horse, I’d go with Frankie.
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Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:34 pm

Frankie also partnered Snow Fairy in a couple big races, so connections already had an existing working relationship
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Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:29 pm

Northport wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:22 pm
TurfLover wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:01 pm Oh and of course, honourable mention to the best O'Brien's ever trained, Japan, for beating three horses home.
Don’t forget about Mogul. Does this mean we can stop considering him a legitimate G1 horse?

Also... does anyone else wonder how Saeed Bin Suroor still has a job? Charlie Appleby delivers every day of the week... Bin Suroor last won a G1 in England/Ireland in 2013.

Not to mention the multiple times he has gone to the press to say how the horses Godolphin sends him aren’t nice enough... aka they arent 3 year olds+ in training that were started other trainers
I never understood the Mogul hype - always going off at such short odds? He and Japan are making a telephone directory with their form.
Newsells Park are the real winners, selling those Shastye offspring for millions of guineas :lol:

My theory is that Bin Suroor has some serious dirt on Godolphin/Darley. I don't understand how else the man manages to keep his job, he had 39 winners last year (compared to 80+ the years before) and his horses seem to only come into themselves in Dubai. And his constant whinging about how Appleby stole his job (not in so many words).

RE John Leeper and Frankie, I think you're right. Snow Fairy had a big day under Frankie in the Irish Champion so I can understand wanting to reminisce when Frankie became available. And it worked out well for Kirby and Murphy has plenty of big days in his future. I have a lot of respect for Cristina Patino, naming the colt John Leeper was a lovely gesture.
People are going to be queueing up around the block to name one the Flying Italian :lol:
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St Marks Basilica won the french derby, looked an easier task than Epsom.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uk9wM7SNls

I wonder if he’s their number one 3 year old now.
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Sariska wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:12 am St Marks Ballistica won the french derby, looked an easier task than Epsom.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uk9wM7SNls

I wonder if he’s their number one 3 year old now.
And Aidan breaks his French Derby duck, hard to believe he'd never won it till now.
SMB certainly has travelled an unconventional route for a Ballydoyle colt but he's danced every dance, hopefully we'll see him this side of the channel soon
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Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:23 pm

There may be a reason Bolshoi Ballet was so dull in the Epsom Derby.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/ ... lop/493813
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Sariska wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:12 am St Marks Ballistica won the french derby, looked an easier task than Epsom.
Basilica.
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WaquoitNBroadBrush wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:14 pm
Sariska wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:12 am St Marks Ballistica won the french derby, looked an easier task than Epsom.
Basilica.
okay but Ballistic-a is much more fun
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:lol:
Northport wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:20 pm
WaquoitNBroadBrush wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:14 pm
Sariska wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:12 am St Marks Ballistica won the french derby, looked an easier task than Epsom.
Basilica.
okay but Ballistic-a is much more fun
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Sariska wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:12 am St Marks Ballistica won the french derby, looked an easier task than Epsom.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uk9wM7SNls

I wonder if he’s their number one 3 year old now.
Really cool POV video of the race from jockey Jean Bernard Eyquem on 4th place Saiydabad.
https://youtu.be/eR-u5xKiNfg
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Northport wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:20 pm
WaquoitNBroadBrush wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:14 pm
Sariska wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:12 am St Marks Ballistica won the french derby, looked an easier task than Epsom.
Basilica.
okay but Ballistic-a is much more fun
Auto-correct is here for our combined entertainment 🙃
Overall though, I’d say St. Mark’s Brasserie is a real superstar in the making.
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:51 pm

Have to admire a trainer who just says how he feels:
"Let's be honest, we're totally dependent on our older horses," Gosden said. "We have a couple of nice two-year-olds but our three-year-old crop, sadly and that's the way it is, is the worst I've had in living memory so we won't be particularly potent in any of the three-year-old races.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/ ... cot/494619
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Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:23 am

This is a lovely reminiscence from Lord Grimthorpe, whose last day as Juddmonte’s racing manager is 21 June.

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/l ... om-within/

I especially liked what he had to say about Enable:

“Enable she was the most extraordinary lady. She wanted to do it. I mean she really wanted to know why she wasn't being fed first in the morning. Why she wasn't going out first thing, or why she wasn't cantering first, or why she wasn't galloping. She was the most vociferous, extraordinary person like that. So she pretty much told us what she wanted to do. She told John first, obviously. So from that point of view, it was something that Prince Khalid and the family really enjoyed.”
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