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Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:58 pm

Flanders wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:06 pm Caracaro retired to Crestwood because he is a son of Uncle Mo. Will stand for 6.5k.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... twood-farm
Literally who wants this

ETA: Ok so for just $1K more you could breed to Mo Town, who won a G1 on turf and a G2 on dirt.
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Hard pass on that one. Yikes.
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Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:32 am

MSW Rise Up (Candy Ride) has moved to Ruah Ranch in Oregon for 2021.
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Mylute wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:58 pm
Flanders wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:06 pm Caracaro retired to Crestwood because he is a son of Uncle Mo. Will stand for 6.5k.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... twood-farm
Literally who wants this

ETA: Ok so for just $1K more you could breed to Mo Town, who won a G1 on turf and a G2 on dirt.

Seriously. 4 starts, maiden winner. And you can get a Gr 1 winner and Gr 2 placed for $1000 more?
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Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:49 pm

So I purposefully didn't mention that I knew he got hurt before the Derby because they didn't mention so why should I? They want people to forget he managed 4 starts before getting injured by spinning how great Uncle Mo sons are doing at stud this year. That is the only thing he has going for him.

He is massively overpriced. Most of the horses they mention in the article aren't even Stakes Winners themselves so they have to call them G1 Performers.
His female family isn't anything to write about, I think you have to go back to his 4th dam to find a G1SW and there is only ONE GSW in his immediate female family, his 2nd dam Santa Catarina, unless one won a Graded Stakes recently and I missed it. Its hard to say anything about his racing career because 4 starts isn't one. I can't believe they are asking 6.5k for him.
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Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:48 pm

Flanders wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:49 pm So I purposefully didn't mention that I knew he got hurt before the Derby because they didn't mention so why should I? They want people to forget he managed 4 starts before getting injured by spinning how great Uncle Mo sons are doing at stud this year. That is the only thing he has going for him.

He is massively overpriced. Most of the horses they mention in the article aren't even Stakes Winners themselves so they have to call them G1 Performers.
His female family isn't anything to write about, I think you have to go back to his 4th dam to find a G1SW and there is only ONE GSW in his immediate female family, his 2nd dam Santa Catarina, unless one won a Graded Stakes recently and I missed it. Its hard to say anything about his racing career because 4 starts isn't one. I can't believe they are asking 6.5k for him.
All of a sudden Solomini doesn't look so outlandish.
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Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:34 pm

Solomini also at least actually won a G1.

Kentucky breeders are wildin'
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Flanders wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:49 pm So I purposefully didn't mention that I knew he got hurt before the Derby because they didn't mention so why should I? They want people to forget he managed 4 starts before getting injured by spinning how great Uncle Mo sons are doing at stud this year. That is the only thing he has going for him.

He is massively overpriced. Most of the horses they mention in the article aren't even Stakes Winners themselves so they have to call them G1 Performers.
His female family isn't anything to write about, I think you have to go back to his 4th dam to find a G1SW and there is only ONE GSW in his immediate female family, his 2nd dam Santa Catarina, unless one won a Graded Stakes recently and I missed it. Its hard to say anything about his racing career because 4 starts isn't one. I can't believe they are asking 6.5k for him.
He was hurt between his first and second starts as well, hence the long layoff between....now he’s an unsound horse
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Slewfan2 wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:53 pm
Flanders wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:49 pm So I purposefully didn't mention that I knew he got hurt before the Derby because they didn't mention so why should I? They want people to forget he managed 4 starts before getting injured by spinning how great Uncle Mo sons are doing at stud this year. That is the only thing he has going for him.

He is massively overpriced. Most of the horses they mention in the article aren't even Stakes Winners themselves so they have to call them G1 Performers.
His female family isn't anything to write about, I think you have to go back to his 4th dam to find a G1SW and there is only ONE GSW in his immediate female family, his 2nd dam Santa Catarina, unless one won a Graded Stakes recently and I missed it. Its hard to say anything about his racing career because 4 starts isn't one. I can't believe they are asking 6.5k for him.
He was hurt between his first and second starts as well, hence the long layoff between....now he’s an unsound horse
Well that is JUST what the breed needs.
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Mylute wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:13 pm BH Stallion register says that Valor Farm stallions Congaree and Stonesider have been pensioned.

Grasshopper is also listed as a "former stallion" on the Valor Farm website.
Congaree... I remember liking him as a three year old but *loving* him when he was a five year old. He was one of the most versatile, long-lasting horses of the 2000s. Too bad he hasn't gotten adequate recognition.
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Gemini wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:35 pm
Mylute wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:13 pm BH Stallion register says that Valor Farm stallions Congaree and Stonesider have been pensioned.

Grasshopper is also listed as a "former stallion" on the Valor Farm website.
Congaree... I remember liking him as a three year old but *loving* him when he was a five year old. He was one of the most versatile, long-lasting horses of the 2000s. Too bad he hasn't gotten adequate recognition.
My rescued harlequin macaw is named Congaree. :D He was named after the river in South Carolina, but I have always had a fond spot for Congaree, the racehorse, as a result. His five-year-old year was exceptional.
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Gemini wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:35 pm
Mylute wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:13 pm BH Stallion register says that Valor Farm stallions Congaree and Stonesider have been pensioned.

Grasshopper is also listed as a "former stallion" on the Valor Farm website.
Congaree... I remember liking him as a three year old but *loving* him when he was a five year old. He was one of the most versatile, long-lasting horses of the 2000s. Too bad he hasn't gotten adequate recognition.
He was a really nice horse. Unfortunately the ones that don't win Eclipse Awards kind of get forgotten. I liked him because he was a son of Arazi. His Derby made me love him. He was up there near the front through those blistering fractions and still managed to hold on for 3rd, when all the other speed wilted. He always tried hard, a truly fun horse to follow because like you said he lasted a really long time.
He unfortunately didn't do enough to stay in Kentucky though.
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Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:08 pm

Mylute wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:34 pm Solomini also at least actually won a G1.

Kentucky breeders are wildin'
Caracaro's fee of $6500 actually makes breeding to Mastery or Army Mule seem desirable.
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Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:11 pm

Flanders wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:01 pm
Gemini wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:35 pm
Mylute wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:13 pm BH Stallion register says that Valor Farm stallions Congaree and Stonesider have been pensioned.

Grasshopper is also listed as a "former stallion" on the Valor Farm website.
Congaree... I remember liking him as a three year old but *loving* him when he was a five year old. He was one of the most versatile, long-lasting horses of the 2000s. Too bad he hasn't gotten adequate recognition.
He was a really nice horse. Unfortunately the ones that don't win Eclipse Awards kind of get forgotten. I liked him because he was a son of Arazi. His Derby made me love him. He was up there near the front through those blistering fractions and still managed to hold on for 3rd, when all the other speed wilted. He always tried hard, a truly fun horse to follow because like you said he lasted a really long time.
He unfortunately didn't do enough to stay in Kentucky though.
Oh yeah, I now recall how Congaree upstaged Point Given in that Derby too...in addition to having the better career.
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TwilightTear wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:47 pm
Gemini wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:35 pm
Mylute wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:13 pm BH Stallion register says that Valor Farm stallions Congaree and Stonesider have been pensioned.

Grasshopper is also listed as a "former stallion" on the Valor Farm website.
Congaree... I remember liking him as a three year old but *loving* him when he was a five year old. He was one of the most versatile, long-lasting horses of the 2000s. Too bad he hasn't gotten adequate recognition.
My rescued harlequin macaw is named Congaree. :D He was named after the river in South Carolina, but I have always had a fond spot for Congaree, the racehorse, as a result. His five-year-old year was exceptional.
I really loved Congaree, too, and saw him in person several times.
He was already a serious contender for TC at three.
But he showed his best as an older horse especially going a mile, while his defeats in the Big Cap and the BCC were heart-breaking.
I always hoped he would beat MDO somewhere at five...
I also loved the way Tom Durkin called him in NY especially for his three consecutive G1 victories at Aqueduct.
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Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:10 pm

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Mylute wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:41 pm Anybody figured out what happened to Tom's Ready and New Year's Day?
Per PQ, Tom's Ready is at Red River Farms in Louisiana.

I have no attachment to this horse but I'm curious to know what standard Spendthrift had set for him, which he did not meet and was shipped out before his first crop hit the ground? He'll likely do better in a regional market of course, but I'm still curious.
He got 48 mares last year, too low for a first-year Spendthrift stallion in KY.
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Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:23 pm

Just barely a stallion career and already at Old Friends?
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Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:52 pm

bare it all wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:23 pm Just barely a stallion career and already at Old Friends?
He had fertility issues when he was at Spendthrift. He only got 11 foals from the 48 mares he covered at Spendthrift. Maybe it got worse.
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Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:55 pm

Mr. Monomoy retired they are looking for a stallion deal.
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Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:31 pm

Voodoo Song Acquired by Turkish Stud
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