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Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:06 am

If you had Siskin standing in Japan, please come forward to collect your prize

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/ ... pan/455726

No farm listed, but he will race at Keeneland then be retired.

The list of annoying retirements of the last week gets an unwelcome addition... Nick Luck posed the question on his podcast: Are we breeding to race or racing to breed?
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tachyon
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:41 am

Awwwww...
I'm very surprised but thrilled with this news.
Sisikin has plenty of Juddmonte bloodlines.
Plus, like Almond Eye, his fourth dam is Best in Show.
I'm sure that he gets some of the best Sunday Silnece line and King Kamehameha line mares.
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:52 pm

Tiznow has been pensioned from stud.
I wanna do bad things with you.
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:08 pm

Psychotic Parakeet wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:52 pm Tiznow has been pensioned from stud.
What a horse he has been. Happy retirement big guy!
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:04 pm

Gainesway

Afleet Alex - $6,500 (same)
Anchor Down - $5,000 ($7,500)
Karakontie - $10,000 ($10,000)
McKinzie - $30,000 (new)
Tapit - $185,000 ($200,000)
Tapizar - $10,000 ($10,000)
Tapwrit - $10,000 ($12,500)
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:38 pm

Psychotic Parakeet wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:52 pm Tiznow has been pensioned from stud.
Makes me wonder if he has some issues or fertility issues. I thought Distorted Humor would be the next to be pensioned
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Summer Bird wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:38 pm
Psychotic Parakeet wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:52 pm Tiznow has been pensioned from stud.
Makes me wonder if he has some issues or fertility issues. I thought Distorted Humor would be the next to be pensioned
A friend of a friend mentioned he showed a lack of interest in breeding mares this season, so they decided to call it quits.
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Always Dreaming - $17,500 ($25,000)

Audible - $22,500 ($25,000)

Carpe Diem - $7,500 ($15,000)

Congrats - $7,500 ($10,000)

Constitution - $85,000 ($40,000)

Distorted Humor - Private ($50,000)

Exaggerator - $15,000 ($20,000)

Fed Biz - $5,000 ($7,500)

Global Campaign - TBD - NEW

Good Samaritan - $7,500 ($12,500)

Improbable - $40,000 - NEW

Laoban - $25,000 ($5,000)

More Than Ready - $65,000 ($80,000)

Outwork - $15,000 (same)

Paynter - $7,500 ($10,000)

Promises Fulfilled - $10,000 (NEW)

Speightster - $10,000 (same)

Speightstown - $90,000 ($70,000)

Take Charge Indy - $15,000 ($17,500)

Tom's d'E'tat - TBD - NEW

Tourist - $5,000 ($7,500)

Yoshida - $15,000 ($20,000)

Laoban, Improbable, Outwork - contracts signed prior to Breeders Cup will honor fees listed, their fees will raise depending on their, or their offspring's, performance.

Gone from 2020 :
Commissioner - sold to Saudi Arabia in June
Overanalyze - sold in April to South Korea - didn't have a report of mares bred submitted for 2020 in the US
Tiznow - pensioned
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:19 pm

Northport wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:06 am If you had Siskin standing in Japan, please come forward to collect your prize

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/ ... pan/455726

No farm listed, but he will race at Keeneland then be retired.

The list of annoying retirements of the last week gets an unwelcome addition... Nick Luck posed the question on his podcast: Are we breeding to race or racing to breed?
Still super weird to me that they wouldn't want to announce where he is retiring. I would imagine most breeders have plans set already. Maybe its different in Japan?
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:52 pm

Tiznow has been pensioned...happy retirement to him
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:01 pm

Psychotic Parakeet wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:51 pm
Summer Bird wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:38 pm
Psychotic Parakeet wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:52 pm Tiznow has been pensioned from stud.
Makes me wonder if he has some issues or fertility issues. I thought Distorted Humor would be the next to be pensioned
A friend of a friend mentioned he showed a lack of interest in breeding mares this season, so they decided to call it quits.
Thanks for the info!
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:29 pm

Flanders wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:19 pm
Northport wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:06 am If you had Siskin standing in Japan, please come forward to collect your prize

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/ ... pan/455726

No farm listed, but he will race at Keeneland then be retired.

The list of annoying retirements of the last week gets an unwelcome addition... Nick Luck posed the question on his podcast: Are we breeding to race or racing to breed?
Still super weird to me that they wouldn't want to announce where he is retiring. I would imagine most breeders have plans set already. Maybe its different in Japan?
I don't know, the whole thing sounds cryptic. If you're a podcast person I definitely recommend listening to Nick Luck's daily podcast. He interviewed Ger Lyons today and Lyons was pretty open about how aggravated he was when the horse got sold. He had laid out the horse's 3 year old season with an eye to keeping him fresh for a 4 year old season, but when the horse got sold it became a matter of his new owners just running him in mile G1s to try to rack up more G1 wins because he wouldn't race on at 4.

Japan is pretty huge on running their colts as older horses if they can (mostly because they have the best prize money in the world) but it also because it seems like they are genuinely interested in winning races as much as they are interested in breeding top horses. So... I'm kind of surprised that Japanese owners are gunning to get the horse retired.

Ger Lyons also mentioned how you start your career with lower level horses and try to work up to top class owners running in G1 races because those owners can afford to keep and race their best horses... then you get the superstar for the huge operation and the damn horse still gets sold.
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:21 am

Northport wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:06 amNick Luck posed the question on his podcast: Are we breeding to race or racing to breed?
I fear that ship sailed at least 10 or 15 years ago.
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:21 am

Noble Mission(GB) will stand at JBBA Shizunai for a fee of JPY 1,500,000 (about US$ 14,300) in 2021.
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:12 am

Gemini wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:21 am
Northport wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:06 amNick Luck posed the question on his podcast: Are we breeding to race or racing to breed?
I fear that ship sailed at least 10 or 15 years ago.
You'd think at least some of the big money owners would recognize a ponzi scheme when they see one.
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:42 am

Without Parole retired to Newsells Park.

Winner of the G1 St James' Palace at Royal Ascot, 3rd in the BC Mile, half to Tamarkuz by Frankel. He didn't always find the front but he could be a nice budget option for a son of Frankel if priced appropriately.
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:49 am

Carvaggio moved from Ireland to Ashford
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FlyToTheStars wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:49 am Carvaggio moved from Ireland to Ashford
Interesting

So now they have 3 Scat Daddys in Kentucky?
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:24 pm

tachyon wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:21 am Noble Mission(GB) will stand at JBBA Shizunai for a fee of JPY 1,500,000 (about US$ 14,300) in 2021.
Feels like a steal at the price? Or is that a fairly average stallion fee in Japan?
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Mylute wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:19 pm
FlyToTheStars wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:49 am Carvaggio moved from Ireland to Ashford
Interesting

So now they have 3 Scat Daddys in Kentucky?
Strikes me as a very odd move but maybe Caravaggio was stepping on No Nay Never’s toes? :lol:
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