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- HB1994
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Flashy Southern Phantom Retired To WestWin Farms In Oklahoma
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Flashy Southern Phantom Retired To WestWin Farms In Oklahoma
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HB1994 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:20 am Sigh.
Flashy Southern Phantom Retired To WestWin Farms In Oklahoma
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloo ... -oklahoma/
Winless in 10 starts and by Bodemeister who's been exported. Besides looks why would anyone breed to him? Southern Phantom is a perfect horse to geld and make a show horse. He's flashy enough that he'd turn many heads in the show ring
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They only bought him to stand him at stud because of how he looks.TapitsGal wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:10 amWinless in 10 starts and by Bodemeister who's been exported. Besides looks why would anyone breed to him? Southern Phantom is a perfect horse to geld and make a show horse. He's flashy enough that he'd turn many heads in the show ringHB1994 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:20 am Sigh.
Flashy Southern Phantom Retired To WestWin Farms In Oklahoma
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloo ... -oklahoma/
- Retrospectiv
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Of course they did. Thing is though - who is he going to appeal to?Flanders wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:11 amThey only bought him to stand him at stud because of how he looks.TapitsGal wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:10 amWinless in 10 starts and by Bodemeister who's been exported. Besides looks why would anyone breed to him? Southern Phantom is a perfect horse to geld and make a show horse. He's flashy enough that he'd turn many heads in the show ringHB1994 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:20 am Sigh.
Flashy Southern Phantom Retired To WestWin Farms In Oklahoma
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloo ... -oklahoma/
He's got nothing to offer TB breeders, nor does he have anything to offer APHA racing breeders. They need speed even more than TB breeders do, and he ain't got that.
Limited appeal even to APHA show breeders. He's not a halter horse, and he's not the 17+ hands that the pleasure horse market dictates now either.
I'm sure he'll attract some mares, question is, for what purpose?
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He's not actually retired to stand at Westwin, per FB. He has been retired sound but he is just being let down at Westwin.
If his owners want so assemble a small group of varying mares to send to him privately, I don't see the big issue.
Also, per Westwin's website, Euroears has moved there.
If his owners want so assemble a small group of varying mares to send to him privately, I don't see the big issue.
Also, per Westwin's website, Euroears has moved there.
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The colored thoroughbred market can't be that big, right? So it will fall to backyard breeders who will then sell the foals at questionable places. So I guess the foals will appeal to the guys buying horses to fill trucks to Mexico and Canada.Retrospectiv wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:52 amOf course they did. Thing is though - who is he going to appeal to?
He's got nothing to offer TB breeders, nor does he have anything to offer APHA racing breeders. They need speed even more than TB breeders do, and he ain't got that.
Limited appeal even to APHA show breeders. He's not a halter horse, and he's not the 17+ hands that the pleasure horse market dictates now either.
I'm sure he'll attract some mares, question is, for what purpose?
That is honestly how I feel about this horse going to stud.
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I can tell you it won't be anyone in the legitimate hunter/jumper world. Pinto, palomino, or any kind of cremello horse will always be a pariah at the top level of equestrian sport, and usually for good reason. Horses bred for colour are usually, pardon my french, gross. You get the odd nice pinto hunter pony here and there, but once you get into horses, they usually move like dump trucks, lack scope, and have a couple screws loose. Sorry if I sound a bit savage, but I hate breeding for colour.Retrospectiv wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:52 amOf course they did. Thing is though - who is he going to appeal to?
He's got nothing to offer TB breeders, nor does he have anything to offer APHA racing breeders. They need speed even more than TB breeders do, and he ain't got that.
Limited appeal even to APHA show breeders. He's not a halter horse, and he's not the 17+ hands that the pleasure horse market dictates now either.
I'm sure he'll attract some mares, question is, for what purpose?
Why not get a nice plain bay that is a good mover, bred to compete, and has a good brain?
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While I agree that putting color before conformation, agility and mind is a formula for disappointment, I can't help but remember a horse show I went to in Santa Barbara years ago.
We got to the evening show a bit late, and came in when the Puissance round for the top jumpers was underway. I watched in bemusement as a rangy Appaloosa entered the ring, looking very different from the sleek bays and greys before him.
He went over jumps like a gazelle with a jet pack, and his rider reined him in tight turns that cut out a good part of the ground that the other horses had covered. He looked like his second job was as a barrel racer.
He won clear with time to spare; IIRC, his name was Here Comes Trouble.
We got to the evening show a bit late, and came in when the Puissance round for the top jumpers was underway. I watched in bemusement as a rangy Appaloosa entered the ring, looking very different from the sleek bays and greys before him.
He went over jumps like a gazelle with a jet pack, and his rider reined him in tight turns that cut out a good part of the ground that the other horses had covered. He looked like his second job was as a barrel racer.
He won clear with time to spare; IIRC, his name was Here Comes Trouble.
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He isn't standing at stud there.HB1994 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:20 am Sigh.
Flashy Southern Phantom Retired To WestWin Farms In Oklahoma
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Just to clarify (as @raypaulick didn’t contact us directly and I think that created some confusion). Southern Phantom is retired 100% sound. He’s hanging out at WestWin Farms enjoying life before the 2021 breeding season. We have yet to announce where he will stand.
@PhantomSouthern
We’ve had interest from all genres of mares, so we’re exploring all options beyond racing. We know he’s in the best hands at
@westwinfarms and will make decisions about what’s next as we evaluate where he’ll generate the most interest.
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It’s not where he’s standing at stud that’s an issue. It’s the fact that he’s standing at stud.CoronadosQuest wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:26 amHe isn't standing at stud there.HB1994 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:20 am Sigh.
Flashy Southern Phantom Retired To WestWin Farms In Oklahoma
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloo ... -oklahoma/
@PhantomSouthern
Just to clarify (as @raypaulick didn’t contact us directly and I think that created some confusion). Southern Phantom is retired 100% sound. He’s hanging out at WestWin Farms enjoying life before the 2021 breeding season. We have yet to announce where he will stand.
@PhantomSouthern
We’ve had interest from all genres of mares, so we’re exploring all options beyond racing. We know he’s in the best hands at
@westwinfarms and will make decisions about what’s next as we evaluate where he’ll generate the most interest.
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Hearing rumors that Winstar is trying to bring Daredevil back
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If I were the Turkish Jockey Club, I'd politely reply: "nah"Summer Bird wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:52 pm Hearing rumors that Winstar is trying to bring Daredevil back
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Same. That’s what they getNorthport wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:26 pmIf I were the Turkish Jockey Club, I'd politely reply: "nah"Summer Bird wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:52 pm Hearing rumors that Winstar is trying to bring Daredevil back
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I'm hearing rumors the Turkish jockey club is saying no bueno on a saleNorthport wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:26 pmIf I were the Turkish Jockey Club, I'd politely reply: "nah"Summer Bird wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:52 pm Hearing rumors that Winstar is trying to bring Daredevil back
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As it should be. This is the result of Winstar’s business model. They have to take the rough with the smooth.TapitsGal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:31 pmI'm hearing rumors the Turkish jockey club is saying no bueno on a saleNorthport wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:26 pmIf I were the Turkish Jockey Club, I'd politely reply: "nah"Summer Bird wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:52 pm Hearing rumors that Winstar is trying to bring Daredevil back
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What took them so long?Summer Bird wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:52 pm Hearing rumors that Winstar is trying to bring Daredevil back
Anyway, I hope they can get him back. Would love to see him get a nice book upon his return.
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If your sources have the Turkish speaking Spanish, I might look for different sources.TapitsGal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:31 pmI'm hearing rumors the Turkish jockey club is saying no bueno on a saleNorthport wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:26 pmIf I were the Turkish Jockey Club, I'd politely reply: "nah"Summer Bird wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:52 pm Hearing rumors that Winstar is trying to bring Daredevil back