Constitution stud fee

[Slewfan2]

You ripped someone for mentioning CC, but then out of the blue you mention Tonalist..?

I may be taking a chance as well,, but I wonder if Honor Code will be due an increase. He’s now the second leading second crop sire, and aside from Max Player running third in the Belmont, he had Bama Breeze run a very good second in a turf stakes,

See post above as to why I mentioned Tonalist. (both sons of Tapit, who to be honest, I shit on as many of his early sons who went to stud were unsuccessful despite strong promotion. Turns out his later successful sons when he was bred to more attractive distance pedigrees have seemingly found some success, at least early on.) He was not a highly sought after stallion out of the gate for top mares, but I'm high on him going forward from here and believe he is strong value at $12,500. We have a 2yo filly o/o a stakes placed sprinter who looks more like her dad that her mom that we are very high on. She went back to him again this year.

And we've traded posts in the past about Honor Code. We are strong backers of Honor Code with our mares. We have a yearling colt our of our most valuable mare that has had some success with the AP Indy line stallions and he will go to the sale with a high reserve because we don't generally race colts by choice. However, Lane's End is decidedly more pragmatic about increasing stallion fees too quickly (look at Quality Road as an example), and unless Honor AP goes on to win a classic or another big G1 against older horses (which he may very well could), you may not see a fee bump in the current market.

But then again, apparently i'm ignorant, so forget everything I just said.

Enjoy your day.

Compare that to Winstar, who probably already have the calculator out to figure out how big a jump they should put on Constitution.

At this point, with this supposedly "spectacular" second crop sire group, in the current top 20, only Constitution (AEI 1.71 (2.64 in current year) off a CI of 1.42), Khozan (1.55 off a 1.41), Daredevil (1.33 off a 1.12), and Golden Lad ( 1.53 off a 1.29) are improving their mares.

Honor Code with a 1.22 (2.07) off a 2.54 and Tonalist 1.23 (1.96) off a 1.61 are more hit or miss and Honor Code at least seems to have benefited from a very strong mare group, but at least their get seems to be improving with age as the AEI for the current year in parentheses suggests. American Pharoah, for all his gaudy SH numbers, with 1.53 (1.70) off a 3.07 just isn't doing it for me at the moment, and I do wonder what numbers "private" entails these days. What is more, very few of his runners seem to have improved much with age or distance.

I think it's really too early judge new sires on AEI - at least, it is for me, especially in a year that's seen such sporadic racing. For sires who are throwing later developing types, it especially applies...like Honor Code or Tonalist. I'm very happy with how HC is doing....and certainly Tonalist has been a pleasant surprise.

American Pharoah seems to be throwing far more turf than dirt horses........can that really be chalked up to his having been bred to so many Coolmore mares? He has that horse in Japan, but who knows how good he really is?

[Modern Renaissance]

How does anyone know HC or anyone else throws late developers based off a limited sample size? I say this as a huge HC fan who hopes he does well. But sadly, I don't make money off him either way so it is what it is.

There is constructive conversation, and then there are personal feelings. While both are not mutually exclusive, this board's biggest problem is the latter takes the former as hatred.

[Mylute]

It seems like this time last year most of the "mainstream" freshman sires had their first winners, but the lack of juvenile racing in 2020 has really put a damper on it. I'm interested to see how this pans out.

And I mentioned before I'm interested to see what happens with the general sire list...