De Coronado in Libya?

BorntoWin2 · Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:32 am

Reading the full brother to Zenyatta was sold to Libya. Does anyone know anything about TB breeding and racing in that area? Any follow up after the sale on the condition of that beautiful horse and the people who care for him?

Flanders · Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:30 am

BorntoWin2 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:32 am Reading the full brother to Zenyatta was sold to Libya. Does anyone know anything about TB breeding and racing in that area? Any follow up after the sale on the condition of that beautiful horse and the people who care for him?

Libya is in a war right now and has been for years. The racing industry was starting to get going before the war started. But there was a militia raid on the biggest Thoroughbred breeder in Libya twice in the past week and all the horses were stolen. I've tried to find what farm he went to since I saw he was sold there in early 2018 but I've never been able to find anything. He wasn't at the raided farm.

Catalina · Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:58 pm

Flanders wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:30 am
BorntoWin2 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:32 am Reading the full brother to Zenyatta was sold to Libya. Does anyone know anything about TB breeding and racing in that area? Any follow up after the sale on the condition of that beautiful horse and the people who care for him?
Libya is in a war right now and has been for years. The racing industry was starting to get going before the war started. But there was a militia raid on the biggest Thoroughbred breeder in Libya twice in the past week and all the horses were stolen. I've tried to find what farm he went to since I saw he was sold there in early 2018 but I've never been able to find anything. He wasn't at the raided farm.

Couldn't find any mention of him more recent than May 2018. Latest mentions of him say that he was raced by Godolphin/Aidan O'Brien, broke his maiden in Ireland (Aug 2016, on a shorter distance) and eventually, that he was another example of a stunning pedigree that was not matched success on the track, which presumably explains the sale to Libya.

Now, if he is still a stud, I could just see the buyer (whoever that was) trying to see if De Coronado just might be more of a success in the breeding shack, but possibly trying to do this experiment on the quiet.

BorntoWin2 · Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:41 am

Flanders wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:30 am
BorntoWin2 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:32 am Reading the full brother to Zenyatta was sold to Libya. Does anyone know anything about TB breeding and racing in that area? Any follow up after the sale on the condition of that beautiful horse and the people who care for him?
Libya is in a war right now and has been for years. The racing industry was starting to get going before the war started. But there was a militia raid on the biggest Thoroughbred breeder in Libya twice in the past week and all the horses were stolen. I've tried to find what farm he went to since I saw he was sold there in early 2018 but I've never been able to find anything. He wasn't at the raided farm.

It is such an unstable area. I couldn't find anything more than he was sold, but no follow up or detail. Who else has been sold to Libya TB breeders? Frightening to consider there horses were stolen from a TB farm there. How do you know De Coronado wasn't at that farm? I've read where Arabian horse breeders in severely war torn countries in the Middle East are able to keep going though many, many are lost in attacks.

Flanders · Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:09 am

Because they said all 6 of their stallions were stolen and listed their names.

BorntoWin2 · Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:43 pm

Follow up. This has been a high risk area for months. From another story published in June 2019.
"Bombing is already reported to have left one thoroughbred dead and others injured.

Ashaab reported by email: "Unfortunately the horses were displaced and died because the areas and cities that are fighting are one of the most popular breeding areas for horses in Libya.

"From about 20 days I couldn't go to the farm because there are concentrations of forces. It's reported that there are tanks that are three kilometres away from the stable, following the forces of Tarhuna belonging to the Haftar militias."https://www.racingpost.com/news/stallio ... ya/384731

And the same stud is quoted here, ""Six o'clock yesterday an armed group came from the Tarhuna city, militia loyal to Haftar. They stole six in-foal (mares) that are about to give birth this January or February," Eshaab told BloodHorse.com.

"Then they entered the stallion (barn) and stole six stallions.

"They shot two horses (who) were wounded in the legs ... no one could provide the ambulance to help the horse with euthanasia.

"We appeal to all humanitarian organisations and all horse organisations to save the horses of Libya."
https://www.racingandsports.com/news/ra ... -hk/506175

And a story with gruesome photos again from June already. https://www.racingandsports.com/news/ra ... hk/506175 The owner is asking for help from the international horse community.

News update, another 30 horses have been taken from the same stud. Looked like a beautiful facility but the horses are all gone according to the latest story. https://www.news.com.au/world/rebels-ta ... 27b97cff5

Is this the place that De Coronado was sold to?

sweettalk · Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:20 am

he was not at that farm. Flanders already told you the farm released the names of the stallions they lost and De Coronado was not one of them.

hopefully someone knows where he is, but that farm wasn't it.

BorntoWin2 · Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:59 pm

This farm appeared to bring in horses that were auctioned later. That was why I asked if he was originally sold to them, then possibly resold. He was listed in a sale the fall of 2017 in the UK, then pulled. He then showed up with Miss Sam and her partner. He must not have worked for them because he was then sold in early 2018 from what I could find, to someone in Libya. This farm frequented those sales though De Coronado was a private sale from Miss Sam's herd.

He looks lost at this time. Thanks for the information so far.

Flanders · Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:21 pm

I found one mention of him on a Facebook page that hasn't been updated since 2018. If the person who said something about him owns him, which is really unclear because Google translate doesn't work well with Arabic, then he is around Tripoli.

BorntoWin2 · Sun May 24, 2020 6:36 pm

Follow up story in Bloodhorse from April. The raided stud farm is back in the owner's protection. No mention of De Coronado in Tripoli though (if that is where he landed). Nor of the stallions and mares on the farm. The story noted some yearlings were retrieved.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... ibyan-stud

Mylute · Tue May 26, 2020 5:46 pm

Is it too much of a reach to suggest (or hope) he may have been bought by a Libyan owner, stayed there for a while, and then sent to Saudi Arabia because the industry there is better and the nation is a little more stable?

BorntoWin2 · Tue May 26, 2020 7:05 pm

Likely the only people who might know what happened to him are those who sold him to the country. I read that about the time of the raid, an air strike hit Tripoli and a schooling stable in the area. Horses died, an elderly man died and if I remember, children were hurt or maybe casualties too. I cannot imagine De Coronado being used as a schooling horse so likely not on site.

Flanders · Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:40 pm

So resurrecting an old thread and while his foal doesn't show up on Equineline, I've found the same foal listed on Sport Horse Data and PedgireeQuery. The foal was bred by AlJamal Stud in Misrata, Libya. This is the breeders Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/Eljamal.stable De Coronado is mentioned in these posts, which are all about the foal that I found. https://www.facebook.com/page/829533964 ... 20Coronado
I just don't know if he stands at that farm or not but hey its something after years of not being able to find anything. Sorry to anyone who can't use Facebook this is the ONLY place that I could find anything.

RachelAlexandra24 · Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:11 pm

Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:40 pm So resurrecting an old thread and while his foal doesn't show up on Equineline, I've found the same foal listed on Sport Horse Data and PedgireeQuery. The foal was bred by AlJamal Stud in Misrata, Libya. This is the breeders Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/Eljamal.stable De Coronado is mentioned in these posts, which are all about the foal that I found. https://www.facebook.com/page/829533964 ... 20Coronado
I just don't know if he stands at that farm or not but hey its something after years of not being able to find anything. Sorry to anyone who can't use Facebook this is the ONLY place that I could find anything.

I contacted them through FB, and they said he is standing at a farm in Trippoli 200km away from their farm. Thankfully he’s alive and well!

Gemini · Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:42 am

RachelAlexandra24 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:11 pm
Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:40 pm So resurrecting an old thread and while his foal doesn't show up on Equineline, I've found the same foal listed on Sport Horse Data and PedgireeQuery. The foal was bred by AlJamal Stud in Misrata, Libya. This is the breeders Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/Eljamal.stable De Coronado is mentioned in these posts, which are all about the foal that I found. https://www.facebook.com/page/829533964 ... 20Coronado
I just don't know if he stands at that farm or not but hey its something after years of not being able to find anything. Sorry to anyone who can't use Facebook this is the ONLY place that I could find anything.
I contacted them through FB, and they said he is standing at a farm in Trippoli 200km away from their farm. Thankfully he’s alive and well!

Such good news, thanks for sharing.