Arrogate offspring confirmation

TapitsGal · Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:03 pm

What are people hearing on the confirmation of offspring Arrogate is throwing? I've heard mixed reviews..I've heard some people say his foals look terrible, Ive had others who have loved how his foals are turning out. I have a friend who is new to the industry and just recently retired her race filly and is looking at Arrogate for a possible match for next year. She asked me if I could help her find out more feedback on how his babies look

Izvestia · Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:11 pm

Con-FORM-ation.

TapitsGal · Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:15 pm

I know that..I'm on my phone and it's auto correcting

sweettalk · Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:21 am

TapitsGal wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:15 pm I know that..I'm on my phone and it's auto correcting

mine does that too, despite recognising conFORMation as a real word when i go back to correct its correction

"smart" phones, eh...

CorridorZ75 · Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:55 pm

You know what would be sorta nice. Instead of every industry reporter just quoting the same consignor/breeder pie in the sky quotes about how good their colts and fillies from the first few crops of new stallions are looking, maybe having someone with a good foundation publish a critical look at overall crops. Each of these sales companies has people whose job it is to go around to all the farms and just look at foal crops. I bet they have some pretty good thoughts on what each stallion is producing overall. However, that may be too honest for this industry. The reporters would have to assure Deep Throat- level anonymity to their sources.

Mylute · Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:39 pm

I write a lot - personal stuff, essays, etc. I love it when Microsoft Word acts like an actual, in-the-dictionary word or phrase is nonexistent and tries to correct it.

Anyway I'm interested in the offsprings' build as well, given that daddy's isn't super.

Squeaky · Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:17 pm

Any updates on Arrogate from the farm? More foall/ weanling photos?

bare it all · Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:35 pm

CorridorZ75 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:55 pm You know what would be sorta nice. Instead of every industry reporter just quoting the same consignor/breeder pie in the sky quotes about how good their colts and fillies from the first few crops of new stallions are looking, maybe having someone with a good foundation publish a critical look at overall crops. Each of these sales companies has people whose job it is to go around to all the farms and just look at foal crops. I bet they have some pretty good thoughts on what each stallion is producing overall. However, that may be too honest for this industry. The reporters would have to assure Deep Throat- level anonymity to their sources.

No one wants to go on the record saying a stallion is throwing 'ugly' foals and risk 1) never being allowed on a farm again or 2) being wrong when the sire throws winners.

I think the best mark of it is to watch how the first foals sell. Correct+pretty = commercial appeal = $$$$$.

Mylute · Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:07 pm

Also every stallion is bound to have some ugly duckling kiddos, and the sire isn't 100% responsible for the makeup of the foal (hello mares).

And sometimes foals might not look so great when they're little but grow into themselves as they age.

Flanders · Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:41 pm

There was an article sometime after his first foals were born that said breeders were very very happy with what they were getting. I know that can change but people keep yearling hidden this time of year. They are in that weird growth phase.

Starine · Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:24 pm

Not that my opinion is of any value, but I have never considered Arrogate to be an attractive animal.

Enormously talented, yes; but...

Flanders · Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:48 am

Starine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:24 pm Not that my opinion is of any value, but I have never considered Arrogate to be an attractive animal. Enormously talented, yes; but...

I agree completely but I haven't seen any of his offsrping that looked like a lot like him. I guess time will tell.

Treve · Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:04 pm

Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:48 am
Starine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:24 pm Not that my opinion is of any value, but I have never considered Arrogate to be an attractive animal. Enormously talented, yes; but...
I agree completely but I haven't seen any of his offsrping that looked like a lot like him. I guess time will tell.

3rd
His offspring haven't really stood out to me, good or bad, so I take it he isn't really stamping them.

About articles, I remember when Cairo Prince's first crop hit the sales, there was an interesting article about structure and biomechanics published on bloodhorse that was analysing the yearlings of first crop sires, as well as comparing them to their sires and other members of the sireline.

The article was less focused on good/bad and more on how the biomechanics translated to performance (sprint, miler, classic, stayer) on the track, on average. As I recall it anyway. One of the things they were mentioning is that the EM, PotN, etc. branch of the Unbridled Sireline was extremely consistent in stamping certain biomechanical characteristics and that was coming through on Cairo Prince yearlings. The shoulder, hip and loin being the signature (iirc) in particular and how they often had a good strong walk because of the lovely shoulder.