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[Diver52]

For once I have to say that Horsebagger is absolutely right. Parties can agree to anything that is not illegal, immoral, or fattening and if the promise is adequately paid for, it is enforceable even if the party bound regrets it later. If there was a buyback clause in TCI's sales contract, it was certainly bargained for by both sides and probably affected the net sales price. On the other hand I know nothing about the Korean legal system, and obviously if the buyer refused to send the horse back, it might be difficult to get him. On the third hand, a refusal to honor the contractual obligation would certainly impact future sales negotiations with Korean buyers.

[Horsebagger]

For once I have to say that Horsebagger is absolutely right. Parties can agree to anything that is not illegal, immoral, or fattening and if the promise is adequately paid for, it is enforceable even if the party bound regrets it later. If there was a buyback clause in TCI's sales contract, it was certainly bargained for by both sides and probably affected the net sales price. On the other hand I know nothing about the Korean legal system, and obviously if the buyer refused to send the horse back, it might be difficult to get him. On the third hand, a refusal to honor the contractual obligation would certainly impact future sales negotiations with Korean buyers.

Ouch.....

[Sparrow Castle]

LOL ^^^

This headline is a bit misleading. Much of the article is about Take Charge Indy and what led to WinStar's decision to sell him.

Pedigree Insights: Noble Indy

“Selling Take Charge Indy was one of the toughest decisions I’ve had to make in my time as a syndicate manager, but, ultimately, we have to blend the passion we have for our horses with business principles for our shareholders.”

That was the quote from Elliott Walden, the WinStar president, when it was announced that the 2012 Florida Derby winner Take Charge Indy had been sold to the Korea Racing Authority (KRA) in late November 2016, after three years at WinStar.

“Sometimes, difficult decisions like this arise for that philosophy,” Walden added. “The KRA has had strong interest in the horse, and they simply made an offer that was too good to turn down.”

As Walden clearly understood, there was a chance that the decision to sell Take Charge Indy could backfire and the early months of 2018 suggest that his worst fears may be justified. The TDN‘s 2018 list of leading northern hemisphere second-crop sires places Take Charge Indy well clear of the other American-based stallions which started out in 2014. This year alone he has been represented by four first-crop black-type winners, taking his total to five from a crop of 103 live foals. Two of them–Take Charge Paula and Noble Indy–have won at Graded level. Altogether he has an impressive total of nine black-type performers from his 2015 crop.

The WinStar team could be forgiven for being tempted by the Korean offer. Having attracted 145 mares in 2014 and 151 in his second season, Take Charge Indy had found things more difficult in his third year, when his book fell to 103 even though his fee had been reduced to $17,500, from its original $20,000.

Perhaps the most important statistic was that Take Charge Indy’s first-crop yearlings had achieved a median price of only $22,000 and his average price of just over $40,000 fell well short of the figures achieved by such as Orb, Shanghai Bobby, Oxbow and Paynter who had all been similarly priced at $20,000 or $25,000. Take Charge Indy’s 2016 weanlings had also struggled at the sales, with a $12,500 median and an average of just under $18,000.

The size of his 2016 book and his sales statistics suggested that Take Charge Indy would find the 2017 season difficult, even though his fee had been reduced again, this time to $15,000. In the circumstances, the Korean offer was too tempting.

More: http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/pe ... oble-indy/

[Flanders]

ohhh I just found the Turkish Jockey Club's stallion directory.
http://medya.tjk.org/raporftp/2017_katalog/

I will say some of the photos are iffy, some are excellent quality, and some of the horses are extremely homely.
Poor Saint Hilarion is a sad looking thing.
And another horse has a mohawk.... XD
Dai Jin is ginormously fat.
Astrakhan is uniquely colored.
I saw some horses I forget about too, After Market, El Corredor, General Quarters, Mendip, Red Giant, etc.

[Treve]

I don't think Dai Jin is ginormous but he definitely has a hay belly going on and that doesn't help his general chubbiness.
It's clear they don't have a 'sales' prep culture, most of the photos are actually good quality, but few of the horses are groomed, a lot of the mane and tails are left to grow naturally for the most part, and those that have clearly been trimmed haven't been combed or brushed prior to the photo... Couple of muddy horses... couple of recently wet horses, a lot of dusty/muddy halters that haven't recently been oiled, even on the horses that ARE groomed. It is very au naturel

As for the "Mohawk" as you call it, roached manes are not uncommon outside of North America, and particularly with asiatic steppe cultures. Sometimes it is breed specific and sometimes it isn't (did you know the counter part to the gorgeous spanish stallions with long flowing knee-length manes is traditionally to shave down completely the mane of fillies and mares and the upper part of the tail?)

The most painful thing about that catalogue though is the amount of horses with pin firing scars.

[Sparrow Castle]

ohhh I just found the Turkish Jockey Club's stallion directory.
http://medya.tjk.org/raporftp/2017_katalog/

I will say some of the photos are iffy, some are excellent quality, and some of the horses are extremely homely.
Poor Saint Hilarion is a sad looking thing.
And another horse has a mohawk.... XD
Dai Jin is ginormously fat.
Astrakhan is uniquely colored.
I saw some horses I forget about too, After Market, El Corredor, General Quarters, Mendip, Red Giant, etc.

It's great to see Lion Heart's stats. Thanks, Flanders!

[Sparrow Castle]

Amanda Duckworth did a story about California Chrome in today's New York Times. I think they allow non-subscribers maybe 10 free stories a month.

California Chrome Was a Winner, but What About His Kids?
Several years removed from a Triple Crown run and a Dubai World Cup victory, California Chrome is attempting to defy the odds again in his stallion career.

Throughout California Chrome’s career, he won the hearts of horse racing fans, first by winning two-thirds of the 2014 Triple Crown and then by coming back from slight injuries two years later to take the $10 million Dubai World Cup, at the time the world’s richest horse race. Now the champion is attempting to defy the odds again in his stallion career.

That California Chrome ran in the 2016 Dubai World Cup at all was unusual. He had won the Kentucky Derby and Preakness Stakes in 2014 and was named Horse of the Year. After finishing second in Dubai in 2015, he was sent to England to compete at Royal Ascot but was scratched days before he was supposed to run because of a foot bruise. His owners found themselves with a decision to make: rest and return to the races or retire.

Most champion runners are retired because they are worth more in the breeding shed than on the track. American Pharoah won the Triple Crown and the Breeders’ Cup Classic in 2015. Although he was healthy, his racing days were done, and it was announced he would stand for $200,000 per mare. He was bred to 208 mares the following year.

However, California Chrome, who won $14.7 million during his career, came from a humble background and had been the ultimate rags to riches story during his Triple Crown run. It brought him legions of fans known as “Chromies,” but the reality was breeders would be wary of his blue-collar pedigree.

Taylor Made Farm, a leading thoroughbred operation in Kentucky, had bought into the champion and spent the summer of 2015 determining what to do.

“California Chrome was a Kentucky Derby winner, and he came close to winning the Triple Crown, but it was a year later and he was off form,” said Duncan Taylor, the president and chief executive of Taylor Made. “If we had retired him then, he would have stood for $15,000, and if he had 100 live foals, we would have made $1.5 million. If you go to Dubai and win the Dubai World Cup, you make $6 million less the fees, so it ends up about $4.8 million.

“You are weighing these things, and we knew we had a horse who had already shown he was a world-class athlete. Everything was basically right with him, he just needed some time off.”

Balancing business with horsemanship, it was determined California Chrome, who had some bone bruising, would go to Taylor Made to rest and ideally race as a 5-year-old. It proved to be the smart, and sporting, decision.

California Chrome romped to an almost four-length victory in Dubai the following March, and his win was ultimately named the Moment of the Year by the National Thoroughbred Racing Association.

His triumph, which included drama as his saddle slipped, was part of another championship season that culminated in him once again being named Horse of the Year.

Coming back as an older horse proved California Chrome’s 2014 Triple Crown run was not a fluke, which made him more commercial as a stallion, and it meant his popularity with the general public continued to grow.

Retired and standing for $40,000, California Chrome — whose name is a result of the fact he was born in California and has significant white, or chrome, markings — was bred to 145 mares in the Northern Hemisphere last year. A mare’s gestation period is about 11 months, and the first foals sired by California Chrome are being born this spring.

“With California Chrome, there is a real pedigree pattern that is very similar to what Triple Crown winner Seattle Slew had,” Taylor said. “To have that kind of breeding further back in his pedigree, that’s how you get a great horse like that. Seattle Slew had the same kind of breeding, and he ended up becoming a good stallion.”

More: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/29/spor ... dubai.html

[Personal Ensign]

ASTRAKHAN has interesting markings on his rump or is that dirt?

ohhh I just found the Turkish Jockey Club's stallion directory.
http://medya.tjk.org/raporftp/2017_katalog/

I will say some of the photos are iffy, some are excellent quality, and some of the horses are extremely homely.
Poor Saint Hilarion is a sad looking thing.
And another horse has a mohawk.... XD
Dai Jin is ginormously fat.
Astrakhan is uniquely colored.
I saw some horses I forget about too, After Market, El Corredor, General Quarters, Mendip, Red Giant, etc.

It's great to see Lion Heart's stats. Thanks, Flanders!

[mariasmon]

Man, I had forgotten what a striking horse Halicarnassus is. I wasn't particularly a fan of Mendip when he was running, but he's definitely handsome.

[Treve]

ASTRAKHAN has interesting markings on his rump or is that dirt?

ohhh I just found the Turkish Jockey Club's stallion directory.
http://medya.tjk.org/raporftp/2017_katalog/

I will say some of the photos are iffy, some are excellent quality, and some of the horses are extremely homely.
Poor Saint Hilarion is a sad looking thing.
And another horse has a mohawk.... XD
Dai Jin is ginormously fat.
Astrakhan is uniquely colored.
I saw some horses I forget about too, After Market, El Corredor, General Quarters, Mendip, Red Giant, etc.

It's great to see Lion Heart's stats. Thanks, Flanders!

Markings! Not dirt

[Ridan_Remembered]

Amanda Duckworth did a story about California Chrome in today's New York Times.

We can't know how it will all turn out, of course, but based on photos made public so far of Chrome's first foals, he is producing some really attractive babies. Learning from the Take Charge Indy situation, a stallion's first sales weanlings and yearlings will pretty much make or break his stud career. So it seems the genuine good looks of many of Chrome's foals should help when they go to the sales. Word through various sources (Taylor Made and other farm Facebook pages) is that breeders are happy with their Chrome foals. So he seems to be off to a good start.

[Treve]

The Babolna National Stud farm in Hungary updated their website.
They currently have 4 Thoroughbred Stallions standing at Stud including Anabaa Blue (GB) by Anabaa and whose second dam is Allegretta, Bully Pulpit (USA) whose dam is by a sone of Icecapade (now there's a name you don't see often!), Move Your Vision (IRE) (Galileo x Cash Run by Seeking the Gold) and the German bred Akaba (GER).
They've got a few nice pictures, and both the 20 year old Anabaa Blue and 18 year old Bully Pulpit look fantastic.
http://babolnamenes.hu/en/product-categ ... roughbred/

[Starine]

As an aside, I think Honor Code has thrown quite a few flashy babies... but most of the Chromes I see have very little, well, chrome.

[Flanders]

I don't think Dai Jin is ginormous but he definitely has a hay belly going on and that doesn't help his general chubbiness.
It's clear they don't have a 'sales' prep culture, most of the photos are actually good quality, but few of the horses are groomed, a lot of the mane and tails are left to grow naturally for the most part, and those that have clearly been trimmed haven't been combed or brushed prior to the photo... Couple of muddy horses... couple of recently wet horses, a lot of dusty/muddy halters that haven't recently been oiled, even on the horses that ARE groomed. It is very au naturel

As for the "Mohawk" as you call it, roached manes are not uncommon outside of North America, and particularly with asiatic steppe cultures. Sometimes it is breed specific and sometimes it isn't (did you know the counter part to the gorgeous spanish stallions with long flowing knee-length manes is traditionally to shave down completely the mane of fillies and mares and the upper part of the tail?)

The most painful thing about that catalogue though is the amount of horses with pin firing scars.

Dai Jin looks ginormous compared to his pic from Europe when he stood at stud there.



Honestly I enjoyed looking at their pics. I was super excited to find their stallion directory. I have seen the roached mane but not on a thoroughbred before.
I don't know why I do it but I was in an argument with some ignorant fool on Bloodhorse who claims, regardless of the stallions age, they should be returned to the US after their stud careers are done in Turkey. That no information is available about any horse that goes to Turkey. I tried explaining to him how much they truly value and love their stallions. Explaining that the Turkish Jockey Club have an excellent webpage and that if the person had even tried, they could find pictures and information in a few minutes. Thankfully I win the argument because the comments are closed now. XD

[Treve]

He's definitely put on weight, and he's definitely overweight, but ginormous wasn't the word that I'd used... maybe because I recently saw a photo of a heavily overweight draft horse (a central european breed that is already naturally pretty thick but that one even was exceptionally substantial )

arguing in the bloodhorse comments... we've all been there. I still sometimes have moments of weakness where I can't help but to engage.

Turkey is definitely not the worst place for a stud to end up, and most of the stallions in the catalogue look healthy and happy. (esp the muddy ones )

[Sparrow Castle]

Hard to believe...

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[SSilence86]

Anyone know how to look up stallions in Uruguay?

I often wonder how Teeth of the Dog is doing.

[Flanders]

Anyone know how to look up stallions in Uruguay?

I often wonder how Teeth of the Dog is doing.

his first crop are Southern Hemisphere 3yos. He has 13 starters, 11 winners, 1 SW, earnings $185,635. AEI 2.31 (from equineline)

http://padrillosenlinea.com/rsdp/ejempl ... ipo_vista=

[Ridan_Remembered]

As an aside, I think Honor Code has thrown quite a few flashy babies... but most of the Chromes I see have very little, well, chrome.

And then there is this colt by Chrome out of Beholden by Cat Thief

[SSilence86]

his first crop are Southern Hemisphere 3yos. He has 13 starters, 11 winners, 1 SW, earnings $185,635. AEI 2.31 (from equineline)

http://padrillosenlinea.com/rsdp/ejempl ... ipo_vista=

Thank you!

I really like him. Was sad to see him go, but I'm glad to see he's doing well.