Matings 2017

BaroqueAgain1 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:32 pm

Maybe a breeding for the popular Uncle Mo became available and they had to move quickly to take advantage of the chance?

Diver52 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:43 pm

Why do I have a problem believing that BB is really anxious to have her back in the barn?

mariasmon · Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:58 pm

They were fortunate to get a G1 placing for her. Additional racing will not do anything for her value. And, if Zayat really does intend to keep her for the forseeable future, might as well get her producing.

mariasmon · Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:23 pm

Warren's Veneda --> Clubhouse Ride

I know the mare has no pedigree, but didn't she do enough to earn a bit better mating?

SSilence86 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:35 pm

mariasmon wrote:Warren's Veneda --> Clubhouse Ride

I know the mare has no pedigree, but didn't she do enough to earn a bit better mating?

I loved her on the track. She could turn out nice foals.
I agree, I was hoping for a better stallion.

mariasmon · Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:42 pm

SSilence86 wrote:
mariasmon wrote:Warren's Veneda --> Clubhouse Ride

I know the mare has no pedigree, but didn't she do enough to earn a bit better mating?
I loved her on the track. She could turn out nice foals.
I agree, I was hoping for a better stallion.

At least a proven California stallion, I'd think?

Kay16 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:29 pm

mariasmon wrote:It's pretty common to breed 3YOs. I just don't see anything wrong with it.

I'm not a fan of it for multiple reasons but to each their own. I'm not a breeder so I guess I'm either going to be wrong or have a less one sided view, that's up to the viewer to decide.

Either way, we're talking about breeding and racing that same 3 year old filly who is young and growing herself. I say if you're going to do it, just retire her at least. Zayat reminds me of a "clueless, I can't make up my mind but I wanna pretend I know what I'm doing" stable owner I used to ride for.

SSilence86 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:08 pm

mariasmon wrote:
SSilence86 wrote:
mariasmon wrote:Warren's Veneda --> Clubhouse Ride

I know the mare has no pedigree, but didn't she do enough to earn a bit better mating?
I loved her on the track. She could turn out nice foals.
I agree, I was hoping for a better stallion.
At least a proven California stallion, I'd think?

Yes. I find this an odd choice.
Almost as odd a choice as breeding Tepin to Curlin

mariasmon · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:14 pm

Kay16 wrote:
mariasmon wrote:It's pretty common to breed 3YOs. I just don't see anything wrong with it.

I'm not a fan of it for multiple reasons but to each their own. I'm not a breeder so I guess I'm either going to be wrong or have a less one sided view, that's up to the viewer to decide.

Either way, we're talking about breeding and racing that same 3 year old filly who is young and growing herself. I say if you're going to do it, just retire her at least. Zayat reminds me of a "clueless, I can't make up my mind but I wanna pretend I know what I'm doing" stable owner I used to ride for.

She'll be 4 when she foals. I think they should just retire her, though. Quit messing around.

SSilence86 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:21 pm

mariasmon wrote:
Kay16 wrote:
mariasmon wrote:It's pretty common to breed 3YOs. I just don't see anything wrong with it.

I'm not a fan of it for multiple reasons but to each their own. I'm not a breeder so I guess I'm either going to be wrong or have a less one sided view, that's up to the viewer to decide.

Either way, we're talking about breeding and racing that same 3 year old filly who is young and growing herself. I say if you're going to do it, just retire her at least. Zayat reminds me of a "clueless, I can't make up my mind but I wanna pretend I know what I'm doing" stable owner I used to ride for.
She'll be 4 when she foals. I think they should just retire her, though. Quit messing around.

Doesn't she race with lasix?

perfectsoul · Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:22 am

Blind Luck --> Curlin

Yaaasss!

mariasmon · Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:15 am

Alphabet Kisses --> Jeranimo
American Story (dam of American Gal) --> Tapit
Bickersons --> Malibu Moon
Kotuku (GB) (dam of Fortify) --> Empire Maker
Leah's Secret --> Exaggerator

Treve · Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:24 am

mariasmon wrote:
Kay16 wrote:
mariasmon wrote:It's pretty common to breed 3YOs. I just don't see anything wrong with it.

I'm not a fan of it for multiple reasons but to each their own. I'm not a breeder so I guess I'm either going to be wrong or have a less one sided view, that's up to the viewer to decide.

Either way, we're talking about breeding and racing that same 3 year old filly who is young and growing herself. I say if you're going to do it, just retire her at least. Zayat reminds me of a "clueless, I can't make up my mind but I wanna pretend I know what I'm doing" stable owner I used to ride for.
She'll be 4 when she foals. I think they should just retire her, though. Quit messing around.

Horses don't finish their growth before the age of 6. Not saying all mares should be at least 5 before being bred but the closer the better imho.
But yeah my primary comment was less about 'breeding her at 3' and more about the amalgam of bizarre decisions and factors which just happen to be partially related to her age: like why be in a rush to breed her then be undecided about running her? Why not give it another year either to see if she continues physically developing, or to book her and early breeding for an earlier foal? I know someone said maybe they pounced on an opening with Uncle Mo but given Zayat's ties to Coolmore through American Pharoah I don't think that booking the full sister of the only living American TC champion to Coolmore's US star would be any trouble.

Flanders · Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:05 pm

Treve wrote:Horses don't finish their growth before the age of 6. Not saying all mares should be at least 5 before being bred but the closer the better imho.
But yeah my primary comment was less about 'breeding her at 3' and more about the amalgam of bizarre decisions and factors which just happen to be partially related to her age: like why be in a rush to breed her then be undecided about running her? Why not give it another year either to see if she continues physically developing, or to book her and early breeding for an earlier foal? I know someone said maybe they pounced on an opening with Uncle Mo but given Zayat's ties to Coolmore through American Pharoah I don't think that booking the full sister of the only living American TC champion to Coolmore's US star would be any trouble.

I'm pretty sure one of the Zayats make a comment when she was 2, that to me at least, made it sound like they viewed her only as a very valuable walking uterus.

mariasmon · Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:14 pm

Flanders wrote:
Treve wrote:Horses don't finish their growth before the age of 6. Not saying all mares should be at least 5 before being bred but the closer the better imho.
But yeah my primary comment was less about 'breeding her at 3' and more about the amalgam of bizarre decisions and factors which just happen to be partially related to her age: like why be in a rush to breed her then be undecided about running her? Why not give it another year either to see if she continues physically developing, or to book her and early breeding for an earlier foal? I know someone said maybe they pounced on an opening with Uncle Mo but given Zayat's ties to Coolmore through American Pharoah I don't think that booking the full sister of the only living American TC champion to Coolmore's US star would be any trouble.
I'm pretty sure one of the Zayats make a comment when she was 2, that to me at least, made it sound like they viewed her only as a very valuable walking uterus.

You have defined "broodmare."

BaroqueAgain1 · Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:15 pm

IIRC, from the elbows up, she really resembled 'Pharoah. Unfortunately, her legs were only long enough to reach the ground.

Maybe the connections have kept her training to see if she'd grow a little, but the last photo I saw showed a filly who still looks like a short AP.

She showed some talent and will to win, but she got a bit shortchanged (pun intended) on those legs.

She'll make a fine broodmare with her genetics.

Treve · Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:53 pm

She also was a bit tankier morw sprinter like at least in the hindquarters than AP. But yeah the short legs. And to be honest I think after her third start as a 2 yo the experience might've soured her on racing. Iirc she bled through her lasix.

Worksoplad · Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:17 pm

Queen of the Sand tested in foal to Blame.

Sparrow Castle · Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:27 pm

Worksoplad wrote:Queen of the Sand tested in foal to Blame.

Wonderful, thanks for letting us know. Best of luck with mom and foal!

mariasmon · Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:27 pm

Bend (dam of Clearly Now, Bendable) --> Curlin

Cabales (dam of Run Away) --> Run Away and Hide
Caragh Queen (1/2 to Always Dreaming, Hot Dixie Chick) --> Bodemeister
Charming N Lovable (dam of Fault) --> Runhappy
Count to Three (dam of Ransom the Moon) --> Dynamic Sky
Crowned (o/o Mushka) --> Into Mischief

Diva's Tribute (dam of Spectator) --> Champ Pegasus

Embur's Song --> Uncle Mo

Exonerated (dam of Skye Diamonds) --> First Dude

Graeme Six --> Tapit

Jehan (dam of Pure Silver) --> Graydar

Lemon Belle (1/2 to Unrivaled Belle) --> Uncle Mo

Magical Belle (full to Unrivaled Belle) --> Tapit
Miner's Secret (dam of Coal Front) --> American Pharoah
Misty Rosette --> Empire Maker

Northwest Colors (o/o Winning Colors) --> Tale of Ekati

Peace Preserver (GSW, full to Jack Milton) --> More Than Ready

Serena's Harmony (1/2 to Honor Code) --> Curlin
Sky Girl (GSW, 1/2 to Abel Tasman) --> Union Rags
Spirit of Wailea (dam of El Deal) --> Laoban
Supposition (GB) (dam of Postulation) --> Air Force Blue

Tapicat --> Medaglia d'Oro
To the House (1/2 to Groupie Doll) --> Get Stormy

Victorious Won (1/2 to World Approval, etc.) --> Congrats

Xs Belle (1/2 to Unrivaled Belle) --> Street Boss

Yes It's Jackie (1/2 to Abel Tasman) --> Outwork

Matings 2017

Leading Freshmen Sire 2017 by number of winners