Stallion News

[Northport]

Does the JBBA not to a great job of marketing their stallions? They have a tremendous roster race-record wise, but their stallions (with the proven Empire Maker the exception) seem to get very small books

[tachyon]

Does the JBBA not to a great job of marketing their stallions? They have a tremendous roster race-record wise, but their stallions (with the proven Empire Maker the exception) seem to get very small books

I think that you hit the nail on the head, Northport.
JBBA could find more room for improvement in marketing their stallions.
But, at the same time, we may have to refer to the other reason why JBBA stallions had difficulies in finding better books.

Breeding industry in Japan is largely dominated by the Yoshida brothers' SHADAI GROUP.
The vast majority of ''well-known'' mares are in Shadai's broodmare band, and they are primarily bred to Shadai stallions (Deep Impact and others)
If you do NOT stand at SHADAI, you will have to be a super-quality stallion to become a topflite stallion in this country.
It looks like Darley Japan and Big Red Farm are trying hard to increase their presences in Japan, respectively. These two have their own broodmare bands, too.
JBBA doesn't have its own broodmare department. Most of JBBA's clients are small & medium-size breeders in Hidaka District.

[tachyon]

-- number of mares covered by JBBA stallions in 2013:

stallion name --- number of mares in 2013 --- (number of mares in 2012)

Alamshar(IRE) 4 (2)
Aldebaran(USA) 17 (23)
Bago(FR) 36 (58)
Boston Harbor(USA) 9 (5)
Came Home(USA) 91 (42)
Charismatic(USA) 31 (26)
Dantsu Seattle(USA) 7 (13)
David Junior(USA) 12 (3)
Empire Maker(USA) 192 (236)
Ishino Sunday(JPN) 1 ( - )
Johannesburg(USA) 24 (23)
Silent Hunter(JPN) 1 (3)
Silver Charm(USA) 10 (13)
Squirtle Squirt(USA) 12 (18)
Stravinsky(USA) 3 ( - )
Summer Bird(USA) 127 ( - )
Sunningdale(JPN) 6 (3)

[mariasmon]

I'm glad to see that Summer Bird has been well-received. It's unfortunate that some of those other stallions haven't been used much, though. Good news that Johannesburg will be more popular for 2014.

[sweettalk]

I'm glad to see that Summer Bird has been well-received. It's unfortunate that some of those other stallions haven't been used much, though. Good news that Johannesburg will be more popular for 2014.

some of the less well received fellas i'd like to see come back - horses like silver charm and charismatic don't seem like they'd be missed too much. its not that i worry about their safety (they looked fantastic last i saw), i just wanna be able to see them again.

[TBird]

I'm surprised by Came Home's numbers relative to some of the other American stallions on the list.

I, too, am glad to see that Summer Bird was well received by the Japanese breeders.

[TapitsGal]

After Market sold to Turkey

[tachyon]

Henny Hughes to Japan...

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/in ... N=92583719

As if to celebrate his sire's success with Beholder in the BC Distaff, Asia Express(USA) 2011C. out of Running Bobcats(USA)(multiple stakes winner in the US) by Running Stag(USA), won his debut impressively by 5 lengths going 1400m dirt Newcomer Tokyo 5R today.



-- replay
http://web-cache.stream.ne.jp/web/jra/o ... pe=2&thum=
(Asia Express : #13 horse under Umberto Rispoli)

Henny Hughes' babies have been doing very well in Japan.
The stallion has been represented by eleven starters to date, nine of whom are already winners, including two graded winners Henny Hound(USA)(on turf) and Keiai Leone(JPN)(on dirt).

His progeny and stud record can be checked out in the following JBIS links..
http://www.jbis.jp/horse/0001028940/sire/record/
http://www.jbis.jp/horse/0001177896/

Aww.. Henny Hughes(USA) got an EXTRA boost today, as Asia Express(USA) romped in the G1 Asahi Hai Futurity Stakes 1600m turf at Nakayama keeping his perfect record 3 for 3 (two wins on dirt and a win on turf today) intact.
WOW!
Will he be the second coming of El Condor Pasa(USA), a foreign-bred who started his career on the dirt?
Asia Express will be voted the 2yo champion colt in Japan!!
This is going to be big news for the stallion and Yushun, too.

-- replay of the Asahi Hai Futurity Stakes (G1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3R4xPCxcNM
1st. (#6) Asia Express(USA)(C2. Henny Hughes x Running Bobcats, by Running Stag)
2nd. (#11) Shonan Achieve(JPN)(C2. Shonan Kampf x Shonan Peintre, by Sunday Silence)
3rd. (#14) Win Full Bloom(JPN)(C2. Special Week x Hanano Megami, by Sakura Yutaka O)

[halo]

I didnt know they ran on dirt over there.

[mariasmon]

Which farm will be standing Henny Hughes? They have to be very excited that Asia Express was so impressive.

[tachyon]

-- video : Ryan Moore on Asia Express
http://web-cache.stream.ne.jp/web/jra/o ... pe=2&thum=

-- racingpsot: http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-ra ... t7DaysNews

"He surprised me - he quickened up so well," said Moore.
"When I rode him before, he looked like he was a horse with lots of gears but he still surprised me - he quickened up so well."
"He's a special horse, because not many do both dirt and grass. His future should be bright. He feels like he hasn't got to the bottom of it yet, like there's more to come, so it'll be interesting to see how much progress he makes."

[Izvestia]

Is it possible some of those other horses that are "less used" (or have small numbers) have fertility issues? Stravinsky and Johannesburg have come from Coolmore where they over breed, that affects long term fertility.
Or perhaps they aren't popular or successful enough to warrant big numbers? Aldebaran didn't light the world on fire with his numbers in North America, I can't imagine he got much better over there.
Or perhaps they had an injury that caused them to cut the breeding numbers down?

I honestly think people don't need to *worry* about these horses disappearing anymore, it's too out in the open. They write those contracts now to return them home.

[tachyon]

Which farm will be standing Henny Hughes? They have to be very excited that Asia Express was so impressive.

Henny Hughes will stand at Yushun Stallion Station.
But stud fee has yet to be set.
What a timely winner!!!

[Retrospectiv]

I honestly think people don't need to *worry* about these horses disappearing anymore, it's too out in the open. They write those contracts now to return them home.

I dare to say those 'contracts' are probably worth the paper they're printed on. How many of the farms who sold these stallions do you think will really pony up the thousands to ship them back to the US, specifically considering they'd only be coming back to be pasture pets?

From all the photos we've seen over the years here and elsewhere, the stallions are incredibly well looked after in Japan. Unless a farm there said one was in specific danger of having no where to go when he was of no more use, I'd have no worries about them staying. Everyone knows there are other options for them now, which seemed to be part of the 'F' issue at the time. No one thought anyone would want an old stallion back...

[Izvestia]

http://www.oldfriendsequine.org/default.aspx

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 2777301049

I think people care. I also think it is a very public issue.

I agree, the horses look amazingly well cared for. I think when people fly off the handle about stallions going overseas, they should look at what happens on their own turf.

[Flanders]

I honestly think people don't need to *worry* about these horses disappearing anymore, it's too out in the open. They write those contracts now to return them home.

I dare to say those 'contracts' are probably worth the paper they're printed on. How many of the farms who sold these stallions do you think will really pony up the thousands to ship them back to the US, specifically considering they'd only be coming back to be pasture pets?

From all the photos we've seen over the years here and elsewhere, the stallions are incredibly well looked after in Japan. Unless a farm there said one was in specific danger of having no where to go when he was of no more use, I'd have no worries about them staying. Everyone knows there are other options for them now, which seemed to be part of the 'F' issue at the time. No one thought anyone would want an old stallion back...

I agree to an extent to what Retrospectiv said. There were options for both Ferdinand and Exceller, they just happened to end up being owned by assholes who didn't care and refused to look for an option. In Exceller's case, there were people who wanted him, the owner just sent him to slaughter out of spite. It happens in the every country, horses fall into bad people's hands. But I don't worry about the stallions. I think the contracts, while they are pretty much fluff, do serve a purpose. If a stallion with a buyback clause is a failure and the farm that bought him, no longer wants him, they should give a buyback option to the farm that sold him. It would be bad PR to break one of those contracts and have something happen to the horse. If the US farm decided they didn't want to pay the money and something bad happened to the horse, then the blood would be on their hands. The outcry would be huge because the internet makes it easy to find. I think there is very little chance something would happen anyway.

[Life At Zen]

It was much easier to make a horse disappear back then than it would be today. I wouldn't worry about any studs being sent overseas.

[Sunline]

Zabeel(NZ) has been pensioned due to declining fertility,safe to say he will spend his retirement at Cambridge Stud like his sire did.

http://www.nzracing.co.nz/News/11236/En ... ement.aspx

[Miss Woodford]

I honestly think people don't need to *worry* about these horses disappearing anymore, it's too out in the open. They write those contracts now to return them home.

I dare to say those 'contracts' are probably worth the paper they're printed on. How many of the farms who sold these stallions do you think will really pony up the thousands to ship them back to the US, specifically considering they'd only be coming back to be pasture pets?

Black Tie Affair started out in Kentucky in 1993, was sent to Japan in 1997, didn't do so well, was brought back to the US in 2004, and spent the last few years of his career as a popular and successful sire in West Virginia. There are other options besides "pasture pet".

[TapitsGal]

Zanjero follows After Market to Turkey...Zanjero's headed to Karacebey Stud