Stallion News

[Mel Mae]

I'm actually a little surprised Colonel John was moved before Drosselmeyer.

[BaroqueAgain1]

Maybe Korea didn't want Drosselmeyer.

[Izvestia]

I don't understand their business model. Factory farm?

[Flanders]

I don't understand their business model. Factory farm?

They are like every other farm. They try and get the best horses they can to stand there. If they don't work out, they sell them. All the farms do this. Its rare if that isn't the case and the owner just pensions the stallion because he isn't successful, though this has happened a couple times recently.

[Izvestia]

They have a very high turnover. And a good portion of their stallions are Pletcher 4 to 8 start specialists. How many stallions are they actually standing? How long before they are sold and make room for the next flavour of the month? They seem to really stand behind their stallions for 3-5 years and then *poof* on to the next shiny new hope.
I didn't think Colonel John was doing bad.

[bare it all]

Winstar is in the stallion business and they want stallions who are going to bring in the big books. They have 23 stallions currently on roster.

I'm surprised Artie Schiller is still there despite his minor successes.

[Mel Mae]

A lot of farms just support stallions for a few years (basically until they show they aren't the next Tapit) then take up an offer if it comes. I think some farms are just quieter about it than others.

[Flanders]

I think its not as noticeable because most farms don't have that many stallions. Right now WinStar are getting into the stallions they added when they built their new stallion barns so they had a big influx of stallions. I would assume their failure rate is about the same as most farms. People seem to forget that these farms don't own the stallions, they are owned by syndicates. So if the majority of the syndicate members say, "Yes" to a sale, the horse leaves. Its pretty rare that a stallion is owned by a farm or just a partnership.

The most recent stallion directory I have is 2009 but if I look through most farms, their lineups are vastly different, not counting death or pensions.
So looking at the 2009 stallion directory to their current rosters, the following farms have had this many stallions sale/move: Three Chimneys 8, Claiborne 7, Airdrie 9, Ashford 7, Darley 6, Lanes End 6, and Hill N Dale 12.

[WarBiscuit]

Didn't see it mentioned anywhere, but The Cliff's Edge (Gulch) has been pensioned at McMahon of Saratoga Thoroughbreds at age 15. Looks like he was only
bred to 1 mare in 2015. He has a few decent runners out there, including two 10 year olds that are followed on the War Horse thread - Frazil, who races almost exclusively in New York these days, and Our Edge, who runs at Camarero. Both still very competitive.


WarBiscuit

[Mel Mae]

The most recent stallion directory I have is 2009 but if I look through most farms, their lineups are vastly different, not counting death or pensions.
So looking at the 2009 stallion directory to their current rosters, the following farms have had this many stallions sale/move: Three Chimneys 8, Claiborne 7, Airdrie 9, Ashford 7, Darley 6, Lanes End 6, and Hill N Dale 12.

I was actually thinking about Lane's End after this thread this morning. When I went to their open house in 2011 (maybe 2010, I went both years), all the barns were full of active/recently pensioned stallions (Kingmambo actually may have been the only pensioned stallion at that time and/or Indy was recently pensioned). There are a lot of stallions at that farm now that weren't there then but the barns don't seem nearly as full when I go there. At least four I remember from that time that aren't there now are Shakespeare, Rock Hard Ten, Aragorn and After Market.

[BaroqueAgain1]

Rock Hard Ten is in Korea and After Market was sold to Turkey in Dec. 2103.
Aragorn is in Chile, as of 2014.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-regi ... ragorn-ire
Shakespeare was apparently pensioned in 2015 while at Lane's End. Wonder if he still has a stall there in his retirement?
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-regi ... hakespeare

[Flanders]

The most recent stallion directory I have is 2009 but if I look through most farms, their lineups are vastly different, not counting death or pensions.
So looking at the 2009 stallion directory to their current rosters, the following farms have had this many stallions sale/move: Three Chimneys 8, Claiborne 7, Airdrie 9, Ashford 7, Darley 6, Lanes End 6, and Hill N Dale 12.

I was actually thinking about Lane's End after this thread this morning. When I went to their open house in 2011 (maybe 2010, I went both years), all the barns were full of active/recently pensioned stallions (Kingmambo actually may have been the only pensioned stallion at that time and/or Indy was recently pensioned). There are a lot of stallions at that farm now that weren't there then but the barns don't seem nearly as full when I go there. At least four I remember from that time that aren't there now are Shakespeare, Rock Hard Ten, Aragorn and After Market.

Yeah in 2009 they had 20 stallions, only 4 of them are still active, though A.P. Indy and Stephen Got Even are pensioned, 6 were sold (After Market, Aragorn, Mingun(who I forgot about), Pleasantly Perfect, Rock Hard Ten, Wando(I forgot he had died but had been standing in Canada a few years before he died), and Belong To Me, Dixieland Band, Dixie Union, Gulch, Kingmambo, Pleasant Tap, Smart Strike and War Pass have all died.

[Mel Mae]

Rock Hard Ten is in Korea and After Market was sold to Turkey in Dec. 2103.
Aragorn is in Chile, as of 2014.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-regi ... ragorn-ire
Shakespeare was apparently pensioned in 2015 while at Lane's End. Wonder if he still has a stall there in his retirement?
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-regi ... hakespeare

Shakespeare went back to his old owners' farm when he was pensioned. I think it's in one of the Carolinas.

[Mel Mae]

The most recent stallion directory I have is 2009 but if I look through most farms, their lineups are vastly different, not counting death or pensions.
So looking at the 2009 stallion directory to their current rosters, the following farms have had this many stallions sale/move: Three Chimneys 8, Claiborne 7, Airdrie 9, Ashford 7, Darley 6, Lanes End 6, and Hill N Dale 12.

I was actually thinking about Lane's End after this thread this morning. When I went to their open house in 2011 (maybe 2010, I went both years), all the barns were full of active/recently pensioned stallions (Kingmambo actually may have been the only pensioned stallion at that time and/or Indy was recently pensioned). There are a lot of stallions at that farm now that weren't there then but the barns don't seem nearly as full when I go there. At least four I remember from that time that aren't there now are Shakespeare, Rock Hard Ten, Aragorn and After Market.

Yeah in 2009 they had 20 stallions, only 4 of them are still active, though A.P. Indy and Stephen Got Even are pensioned, 6 were sold (After Market, Aragorn, Mingun(who I forgot about), Pleasantly Perfect, Rock Hard Ten, Wando(I forgot he had died but had been standing in Canada a few years before he died), and Belong To Me, Dixieland Band, Dixie Union, Gulch, Kingmambo, Pleasant Tap, Smart Strike and War Pass have all died.

I think Dixie Union died a few months before I went to the first open house. That was the nice one because no one knew about it. The next year, a bunch of fans found out about it, thought Zenyatta would be at the open house (no joke, I heard multiple people ask grooms "Where is Zenyatta? She was supposed to be here.") and it was borderline dangerous because you had people who knew nothing about horses paying no attention to where they were standing/walking and stallions outside of every barn entrance. I'm still amazed no one died/got seriously hurt that day.

[BaroqueAgain1]

Elnaawi, a Grade 1-placed stakes winner, has been retired from racing and will enter stud at Indiana Stallion Station in Anderson, Ind., for the 2017 breeding season for an advertised fee of $2,500.
Read more: http://www.drf.com/news/elnaawi-retired ... on-station

[Flanders]

The Factor just got his first stakes winner, a G1SW at that, when Noted and Quoted won the Chandelier S.(G1).

[tachyon]

Swept Overboard(USA) sired his first G1 winner, when Red Falx(JPN)[2011H. o/o Vermouth(JPN) by Sunday Silence(USA)] won in the G1 Sprinters Stakes 1200m at Nakayama on Oct 2nd 2016.

-- replay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wg5d2EQxo4
1st. (#13) Red Falx(JPN)
http://www.jbis.jp/horse/0001134867/

[ThreeMustangs]

Galileo sires the first three home in the Arc. Amazing.

[Retrospectiv]

Galileo sires the first three home in the Arc. Amazing.

An O'Brien 1,2,3 finish. Do any other trainers/owner win with the Galileo's though....or do they just seem to own them all?!

[ThreeMustangs]

Galileo sires the first three home in the Arc. Amazing.

An O'Brien 1,2,3 finish. Do any other trainers/owner win with the Galileo's though....or do they just seem to own them all?!

New Approach, who won the Epsom Derby and other G1s, raced for Princess Haya, Sheikh Mohammed's wife, and was trained for Jim Bolger. I know there are other nice Galileos who didn't race for Coolmore, but he's the best one who comes to mind.