Edited to add: I just realized you probably meant his other runners. That I don't know.I’ll Have Another (Flower Alley–Arch’s Gal Edith, by Arch), winner of the 2012 GI Kentucky Derby and GI Preakness S., was represented by his first winner Saturday when first-time starter Un Autre (Jpn) graduated by 1 3/4 lengths over 1600 metres of the Tokyo turf course.
Yes I had saw his first winner was on the turf. Its always interesting to me to see how a stallion who never raced on turf does at stud in a country that mainly races on the turf. I know they have their fair share of dirt races. I just was curious if they had started the majority(or all) his starters on the turf so far or if any had gone on the dirt.Sparrow Castle wrote:They were on the turf. I put this article in the "First Winners" thread.
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/ra ... 51728TDM8/Edited to add: I just realized you probably meant his other runners. That I don't know.I’ll Have Another (Flower Alley–Arch’s Gal Edith, by Arch), winner of the 2012 GI Kentucky Derby and GI Preakness S., was represented by his first winner Saturday when first-time starter Un Autre (Jpn) graduated by 1 3/4 lengths over 1600 metres of the Tokyo turf course.
Thank you!tachyon wrote:Flanders, I'll Have Another has had 9 starters/starts so far, all of whom were tested on the turf with the record of 9-1-0-1.
As you already pointed out, Japanese racing's main focus is on the turf and its 'classic races' are run on the turf.
So it's natural that the owners want to see if IHA's offspring could handle the turf on debut.
Personally I have got an impression that his offspring can like the turf.
Most of them I saw ran on the turf willingly.
I don't agree. There are stallions who are versatile and can sire top horses on the dirt and turf. Or dirt runners who sire turf runners, or turf runners who sire dirt runners but not all quality stallions can sire on both surfaces. Galileo and Sadler's Wells do(did) not sire dirt horses. Kitten's Joy really doesn't sire dirt runners but he can get you a hell of a turf runner. A.P. Indy and Seattle Slew really didn't sire turf runners.BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I think it doesn't matter which surface it is...a quality stud sires quality offspring.
It's actually an interesting conversation. Recently discussed this with an owner friend who just claimed a Looking At Lucky colt out of a Summer Squall mare. He didn't do much in his first starts on the dirt but has a win and a 2nd now on turf. We wondered where he got a turf aptitude. It brought me to the Bloodhorse list of Leading Turf Sires. I was surprised at what I saw for some of these guys. For example, the 2012 list (ordered by turf earnings) shows A.P. Indy at #52 as a turf sire with 62 turf runners, 15 winners, 2 stakes winners, earnings $1,087,850, 19% (out of all runners 129, 59, 9) in 2012. Even predominately dirt sires in North America have sired a good number of turf runners/winners.Flanders wrote:I don't agree. There are stallions who are versatile and can sire top horses on the dirt and turf. Or dirt runners who sire turf runners, or turf runners who sire dirt runners but not all quality stallions can sire on both surfaces. Galileo and Sadler's Wells do(did) not sire dirt horses. Kitten's Joy really doesn't sire dirt runners but he can get you a hell of a turf runner. A.P. Indy and Seattle Slew really didn't sire turf runners.BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I think it doesn't matter which surface it is...a quality stud sires quality offspring.
Lookin at Lucky is about even on dirt and turf stakes winners, since he has Southern Hemisphere foals from shuttling. But then his sire, Smart Strike, could sire a top horse on just about anything, surface and distance wise.Sparrow Castle wrote: It's actually an interesting conversation. Recently discussed this with an owner friend who just claimed a Looking At Lucky colt out of a Summer Squall mare. He didn't do much in his first starts on the dirt but has a win and a 2nd now on turf. We wondered where he got a turf aptitude. It brought me to the Bloodhorse list of Leading Turf Sires. I was surprised at what I saw for some of these guys. For example, the 2012 list (ordered by turf earnings) shows A.P. Indy at #52 as a turf sire with 62 turf runners, 15 winners, 2 stakes winners, earnings $1,087,850, 19% (out of all runners 129, 59, 9) in 2012. Even predominately dirt sires in North America have sired a good number of turf runners/winners.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... /2012/turf
No. You can look at other dirt stallions that have been exported and been complete failures to show that doesn't always work. Empire Maker was sold back because he had no success while in Japan or Roses In May who can sire winners, he just doesn't get hardly any stakes winners. I've always believed Forty Niner should have came back because he just didn't have the same success in Japan as the US. Its going to be interesting to see if a Distorted Humor line stallion can prove himself to be a top stallion. None of his sons have proven themselves thus far, and while they have each had a few nice horses, they've been exported to other countries for not enough success.Sparrow Castle wrote:I'm no expert on this subject though. I'll Have Another's damsire is Arch, who is #25 (45%) on that 2012 list. His sire Flower Alley is #132 (9%). If he is being bred to predominately turf pedigreed mares, which I assume, wouldn't that increase the turf aptitude of his foals?
Something like 1:32 4/5, down from 1:33 and change.
Not sure how they got those first figures, but maybe the timer they were reading had an 'oops' moment? 
Sounds like it was Arrowfield's decision and, IIRC, they own the controlling interest in the horse.BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Animal Kingdom will not be headed South this year; he's still quite popular with Aussie breeders, but Darley has decided he could use a break from shuttling. Good.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... ing-season