SUPURRR SPECIAL SATURDAY ~ 5/7 @ WHERE ELSE?
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**CONGRATS TO ---> JOHN HENRY
WHO AFTER A LONG LAY OFF
HAS REBOUNDED WITH VIM & VIGOR
TO WIN ANOTHER RACE WITH POWER & AUTHORITY
OF COURSE THE VENUE 'CHOICE' IS NOT HIS TO MAKE
THIS WEEK AS WHERE ELSE WOULD WE RUN BUT ---
~~CHURCHILL DOWNS~~ ....
POST TIME: ==> 10:30am -- EASTERN
MAY EVERY HORSE RETURN TO THE BARN
HEALTHY AND EAGER FOR OATS
MAY EACH OF OUR PLAYERS FIND SOME JOY
IN THE DAY EVEN IF THEIR HORSE LOSES
MINT JULEPS MAY HELP ~
OR FOR NON-DRINKERS LIKE MOI = CATNIP WORKS --
OF COURSE I'M IN A ''GRAY STATE OF MIND'' WITH
* MOHAYMEN (Means: DOMINANT In Arabic) --
* DESTIN (I Mentally Add 'Y' At The End)
* LANI (Dam: Sunday Silence An All Time Fave!)
ALONG WITH 2 NON-GRAY FAVES ~
* MOR SPIRIT BY ESKENDEREYA = WHO I ADORE
* SHAGAF ======== THE NAME CALLS TO ME
YEP! THE CATZILLA METHOD OF HANDICAPPING
NAMES / GRAYS / SIRES
RULES ARE POSTED ON THE MENU
TIZ A WISE PLAYER WHO READS THRU
CAUSE IF YOU DON'T & THEN ERRR
U MIGHT JUST SEE A D.Q. --
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CIGARSHOP PIX PER TBRF
Derby Day is now upon us
Since I'll be drinking I'll travel by bus
Le Tigre will be awaiting my arrival at the main gate
Of course I'd never let this fine lady wait
She has told me several times she loves me with all her heart
I just have to remember to hold in my fart
We shall drink bourbon and beer
As we watch the races I shall stand and cheer
Did we have the winner
Either way she still gets dinner
My Man Sam explodes towards the Finishline
My goodness Le Tigre has a beautiful behind
To my friends here in the forum enjoy the day
Remember after the races give your partners a roll in the hay
It doesn't matter if we win or lose today
Remember why we are here to celebrate Derby Day
Now here are the picks I'll be investing quite heavily on
1st: 5-3-2-1
2nd: 1-8-2-7
3rd: 11-10-7-5
4th: 11-10-1-6
5th: 3-10-4-6
6th: 1-4-3-9
7th: 3-1-7-5
8th: 2-8-10-4
9th: 4-6-1-10
10th: 11-10-6-9
11th: 2-6-12-1
12th: 6-3-5-10-19
13th: 7-9-4-8
14th: 7-6-12-3
Derby Day is now upon us
Since I'll be drinking I'll travel by bus
Le Tigre will be awaiting my arrival at the main gate
Of course I'd never let this fine lady wait
She has told me several times she loves me with all her heart
I just have to remember to hold in my fart
We shall drink bourbon and beer
As we watch the races I shall stand and cheer
Did we have the winner
Either way she still gets dinner
My Man Sam explodes towards the Finishline
My goodness Le Tigre has a beautiful behind
To my friends here in the forum enjoy the day
Remember after the races give your partners a roll in the hay
It doesn't matter if we win or lose today
Remember why we are here to celebrate Derby Day
Now here are the picks I'll be investing quite heavily on
1st: 5-3-2-1
2nd: 1-8-2-7
3rd: 11-10-7-5
4th: 11-10-1-6
5th: 3-10-4-6
6th: 1-4-3-9
7th: 3-1-7-5
8th: 2-8-10-4
9th: 4-6-1-10
10th: 11-10-6-9
11th: 2-6-12-1
12th: 6-3-5-10-19
13th: 7-9-4-8
14th: 7-6-12-3
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**DERBY DAY DREAMIN**
I HAVE ''NO INTEREST'' IN FAVORITES
MY LONG SHOTS MAKE MY DAY
AND WHAT MAKES IT EVEN SWEETER
IS WHEN THE WINNER IS A GRAY!
SO WHEN THE BIG DANCE HAPPENS
ON THIS VERY SPECIAL DAY
MY HEART IS FULL OF WISHIN
THE ONE WHO'S FIRST IS GRAY
(MOHAYMEN / LANI / DESTIN)
THE IRONY OF THAT WISHIN
IF 'CREATOR' STEALS THE DAY
MURPHY'S LAW PERHAPS IT IS
IF THE WRONG GRAY WINS TODAY!
*******************************
R1 >>> 6 4 2 7 3
FACE OF WINNER
ULANBATOR
RISE UP
R2 >>> 2 8 6 1 4
ZAPPERINI
(YEP - MY 'Z' OBSESSION AGAIN RULES)
UNEXPLAINED = PARANORMAL
THAT MAKES SENSE
R3 >>> 1 6 3 8 11
SEEKING THE SOUL
DIVISIVE
SICARIUS
R4 >>> 7 4 11 1 2
NO INTEREST
OLA GATITA
LOVE THE KITTEN
(TOO LOW ODDS TO MAKE $$$ ---
BUT REALLY LOVE THIS ONE THE MOST)
R5 >>> 2 10 11 1 6
BOLD CONQUEST
FREESTYLER
MAGIC OF BELIEVING (IN THESE PIX!)
R6 >>> 7 2 8 9 1
{EACH WOULD BE #1 IN DIFF RACES}
SHE'S NOT HERE (DESTINY)
JOS DES ANIMAUX
ZIPESSA
R7 >>> 7 9 3 8 5
HOLY BOSS
CATALINA RED
CALCULATOR
(GONNA STOMP ON MINE WHEN DAY IS DONE!)
R8 >>> 6 7 2 3 8
ENCHANTING LADY
KATHBALLU
STONETASTIC
R9 >>> 9 7 5 13 8
CAMELOT KITTEN
2-STEP TIME
FRANK CONVERSATION
R10 >>> 7 13 1 4 6
FOREVAMO
STAR HILL
DISCREETNESS
R11 >>> 5 12 9 13 7
REPORTING STAR
BIG BLUE KITTEN (HEART #1 BUT LOW ODDS $$)
TRIPLE THREAT
R12 >>> 9 8 14 17 16
HOW COOL IF IT'S A GRAY TRIFECTA
BUT NOT WITH ''CREATOR'' IN IT!
DESTIN (Y) =====> GRAY
LANI ===== =====> GRAY / DAM: SUNDAY SILENCE!
MOHAYMEN ====> GRAY
R13 >>> 4 10 6 1 3
MKUBWA
MOON GATE WARRIOR
SMART MOON
R14 >>> 1 2 8 3 10
HINT OF ROSES
TALES OF WAR
MAJESTIC HEIR
=^,,^=
I HAVE ''NO INTEREST'' IN FAVORITES
MY LONG SHOTS MAKE MY DAY
AND WHAT MAKES IT EVEN SWEETER
IS WHEN THE WINNER IS A GRAY!
SO WHEN THE BIG DANCE HAPPENS
ON THIS VERY SPECIAL DAY
MY HEART IS FULL OF WISHIN
THE ONE WHO'S FIRST IS GRAY
(MOHAYMEN / LANI / DESTIN)
THE IRONY OF THAT WISHIN
IF 'CREATOR' STEALS THE DAY
MURPHY'S LAW PERHAPS IT IS
IF THE WRONG GRAY WINS TODAY!
*******************************
R1 >>> 6 4 2 7 3
FACE OF WINNER
ULANBATOR
RISE UP
R2 >>> 2 8 6 1 4
ZAPPERINI
(YEP - MY 'Z' OBSESSION AGAIN RULES)
UNEXPLAINED = PARANORMAL
THAT MAKES SENSE
R3 >>> 1 6 3 8 11
SEEKING THE SOUL
DIVISIVE
SICARIUS
R4 >>> 7 4 11 1 2
NO INTEREST
OLA GATITA
LOVE THE KITTEN
(TOO LOW ODDS TO MAKE $$$ ---
BUT REALLY LOVE THIS ONE THE MOST)
R5 >>> 2 10 11 1 6
BOLD CONQUEST
FREESTYLER
MAGIC OF BELIEVING (IN THESE PIX!)
R6 >>> 7 2 8 9 1
{EACH WOULD BE #1 IN DIFF RACES}
SHE'S NOT HERE (DESTINY)
JOS DES ANIMAUX
ZIPESSA
R7 >>> 7 9 3 8 5
HOLY BOSS
CATALINA RED
CALCULATOR
(GONNA STOMP ON MINE WHEN DAY IS DONE!)
R8 >>> 6 7 2 3 8
ENCHANTING LADY
KATHBALLU
STONETASTIC
R9 >>> 9 7 5 13 8
CAMELOT KITTEN
2-STEP TIME
FRANK CONVERSATION
R10 >>> 7 13 1 4 6
FOREVAMO
STAR HILL
DISCREETNESS
R11 >>> 5 12 9 13 7
REPORTING STAR
BIG BLUE KITTEN (HEART #1 BUT LOW ODDS $$)
TRIPLE THREAT
R12 >>> 9 8 14 17 16
HOW COOL IF IT'S A GRAY TRIFECTA
BUT NOT WITH ''CREATOR'' IN IT!
DESTIN (Y) =====> GRAY
LANI ===== =====> GRAY / DAM: SUNDAY SILENCE!
MOHAYMEN ====> GRAY
R13 >>> 4 10 6 1 3
MKUBWA
MOON GATE WARRIOR
SMART MOON
R14 >>> 1 2 8 3 10
HINT OF ROSES
TALES OF WAR
MAJESTIC HEIR
=^,,^=
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CD 05/07/16
1: #3 Rocket Time (5,1)
2: #1/1A entry (2,8)
3: #3 Sacaruis (11,1)
4: #6 Res Ipsa (7,11,1,3)
5: #10 Freestyler (3,9)
6: #5 Bureau de Change (1,9)
7: #5 Limousine Liberal (6,7,3)
8: #10 Wavell Avenue (8,1,9)
9: #4 Beach Patrol (1,3,8)
10: #6 Sharp Azteca (9,11)
11: #9 Triple Threat (8,6)
12: #3 Creator (6,17)
13: #7 Uncle Walter (4,6)
14: #3 Race Me Home (7,12)
good luck everyone!!
1: #3 Rocket Time (5,1)
2: #1/1A entry (2,8)
3: #3 Sacaruis (11,1)
4: #6 Res Ipsa (7,11,1,3)
5: #10 Freestyler (3,9)
6: #5 Bureau de Change (1,9)
7: #5 Limousine Liberal (6,7,3)
8: #10 Wavell Avenue (8,1,9)
9: #4 Beach Patrol (1,3,8)
10: #6 Sharp Azteca (9,11)
11: #9 Triple Threat (8,6)
12: #3 Creator (6,17)
13: #7 Uncle Walter (4,6)
14: #3 Race Me Home (7,12)
good luck everyone!!
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Race:1 # 3-2-4
Race:2 # 4-2-1
Race:3 # 5-7-9
Race:4 # 6-4-2
Race:5 # 1-2-4
Race:6 # 4-1-3
Race:7 # 9-8-6
Race:8 # 9-10-7
Race:9 # 7-3-4
Race:10 # 9-12-13
Race:11# 11-6-7
Race:12 # 4-13-6
Race:13 # 6-5-4
Race:14 # 4-1-6
Good luck to all!
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REAL QUIET PIX -- PER TBRF
R1...1 Teniente Coronel 2-5-3
R2...1/1A Street Gray 8-2-7
R3...11 Grand Candy 7-9-3
R4...15AE Rebelle 11 Love the Kitten 6-12
R5...3 Allied Air Raid 2-10-4
R6...1 Tepin 9-4-2016
R7...8 Salutos Amigos 7-3-5
R8...2 Stonetastic 8-6-10
R9...1 Airoforce 5-11-3
R10...11 American Freedom 10-7-1
R11...12 Big Blue Kitten 10-6-1
R12...11 Exaggerator (Ruffian on disqualifications) 13-3-17
R13...4 Mkubwa 7-8-11
R14...12 Goats Town 7-6-3
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~~DERBY DAY~~
R1
7/3/5/6/4 = Legacy / Rocket / Geothermal
R2
9/5/4/6/7 = Colonel / Saint / Pinson
R3
8/3/5/2/1 = Donysus / Sicarious / Bodestar
R4
2/1/3/5/6 = Crafty / Havana Dream / Wolf
R5
5/4/3/1/11 = Flatline (I did in Rodeo) / He's In Front / Allied
R6
3/5/8/9/1 = Cash / Bureau De Change / Zipessa
R7
2/4/8/9/7 = Squadron / Barbados / Amigo
R8
9/2/6/7/8 = Bird / Stonetastic / Lady
R9
10 / 11 / 13 / 12 / 5 = Patriot / Hermes / Azar
R10
10 / 12 / 11 / 9 / 6 = Cocked + Loaded / Outlaw / Freedom
(I sense a 'Theme' Here
R11
3/7/8/6/9 = BOLO (Be On The Lookout) / Storm / Divisidero
R12
5/1/17/15/11 = Gun / Trojan / Spirit
R13
2/12/9/10/6 = Stranglehold / Cash / Punch
R14
4/6/9/10/12 = War Cry / D'Oro / All Rise
Luck to all // Safe trip for the Horses!
Pizza laced with Catnip + Anchovies plus No-Doz
For CatZilla on a very long day --
R1
7/3/5/6/4 = Legacy / Rocket / Geothermal
R2
9/5/4/6/7 = Colonel / Saint / Pinson
R3
8/3/5/2/1 = Donysus / Sicarious / Bodestar
R4
2/1/3/5/6 = Crafty / Havana Dream / Wolf
R5
5/4/3/1/11 = Flatline (I did in Rodeo) / He's In Front / Allied
R6
3/5/8/9/1 = Cash / Bureau De Change / Zipessa
R7
2/4/8/9/7 = Squadron / Barbados / Amigo
R8
9/2/6/7/8 = Bird / Stonetastic / Lady
R9
10 / 11 / 13 / 12 / 5 = Patriot / Hermes / Azar
R10
10 / 12 / 11 / 9 / 6 = Cocked + Loaded / Outlaw / Freedom
(I sense a 'Theme' Here
R11
3/7/8/6/9 = BOLO (Be On The Lookout) / Storm / Divisidero
R12
5/1/17/15/11 = Gun / Trojan / Spirit
R13
2/12/9/10/6 = Stranglehold / Cash / Punch
R14
4/6/9/10/12 = War Cry / D'Oro / All Rise
Luck to all // Safe trip for the Horses!
Pizza laced with Catnip + Anchovies plus No-Doz
For CatZilla on a very long day --
"If Ya Aint The Lead Horse ----
The View Never Changes"
"SAVE A HORSE --- RIDE A COWBOY"
The View Never Changes"
"SAVE A HORSE --- RIDE A COWBOY"
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« Reply on: Today at 09:15:03 PM »
Rolling Thunder Ranch
1 -- 1, 4, 5
2 -- 1, 8, 2
3 -- 11, 3, 1
4 -- 11, 10, 3
5 -- 4, 10, 2
6 -- 1, 4, 3
7 -- 8, 1, 7
8 -- 8, 2, 10
9 -- 4, 6, 8
10--9, 6, 5
11--3, 1, 2
12--13, 11, 6
13--7, 5, 6
14--7, 12, 4
« Reply on: Today at 09:15:03 PM »
Rolling Thunder Ranch
1 -- 1, 4, 5
2 -- 1, 8, 2
3 -- 11, 3, 1
4 -- 11, 10, 3
5 -- 4, 10, 2
6 -- 1, 4, 3
7 -- 8, 1, 7
8 -- 8, 2, 10
9 -- 4, 6, 8
10--9, 6, 5
11--3, 1, 2
12--13, 11, 6
13--7, 5, 6
14--7, 12, 4
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Great day COMING!
1. 7/2/4
2. 3/6/8
3. 9/11/7
4. 13/11/6
5. 9/4/12
6. 1/3/9
7. 5/7/1
8. 10/1/6 = bet the 8 wins though
9. 11/5/8
10. 7/1/8
11. 3/5/6
12. 17/14/15
13. 7/9/12
14. 4/9/6
ENJOY THE DAY!
Great day COMING!
1. 7/2/4
2. 3/6/8
3. 9/11/7
4. 13/11/6
5. 9/4/12
6. 1/3/9
7. 5/7/1
8. 10/1/6 = bet the 8 wins though
9. 11/5/8
10. 7/1/8
11. 3/5/6
12. 17/14/15
13. 7/9/12
14. 4/9/6
ENJOY THE DAY!
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**HAPPY DERBY DAY** --
~~TIGER PIX~~
R-1: 2 - 5 - 4
R-2: 1a - 4 - 2 - 3
R-3: 3 - 11 - 9 - 1
R-4: 11 - 9 - 4 - 7 - 15ae
R-5: 7 - 11 - 9 - 2 - 8
R-6: 4 - 1 - 2 - 7
R-7: 9 - 4 - 6 - 7
R-8: 6 - 8 - 7 - 2
R-9: 13 - 9 - 7 - 11 - 8
R-10: 10 - 7 - 14 - 12 - 1
R-11: 12 - 7 - 5 - 2 - 9
~~R-12 -- KY DERBY:
#13 - Nyquist,
#8 - Lani, #5 - Gun Runner
ALTS: #3 - Creator, #14 - Mohaymen
R-13: 6 - 3 - 4 - 5
R-14: 1 - 8 - 2 - 10
~~TIGER PIX~~
R-1: 2 - 5 - 4
R-2: 1a - 4 - 2 - 3
R-3: 3 - 11 - 9 - 1
R-4: 11 - 9 - 4 - 7 - 15ae
R-5: 7 - 11 - 9 - 2 - 8
R-6: 4 - 1 - 2 - 7
R-7: 9 - 4 - 6 - 7
R-8: 6 - 8 - 7 - 2
R-9: 13 - 9 - 7 - 11 - 8
R-10: 10 - 7 - 14 - 12 - 1
R-11: 12 - 7 - 5 - 2 - 9
~~R-12 -- KY DERBY:
#13 - Nyquist,
#8 - Lani, #5 - Gun Runner
ALTS: #3 - Creator, #14 - Mohaymen
R-13: 6 - 3 - 4 - 5
R-14: 1 - 8 - 2 - 10
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Derby Day specials!!!
Today's selections dedicated to "Half Dollar" Bill and "Tribal Council" Howell. Backstretch Boys forever!!!
1st - 7 / 5 / 4
2nd - 8 / 2 / 6
3rd - 9 / 7 / 3
4th - 6 / 12 / 10
5th - 8 / 1 / 11
6th - 4 / 1 / 6
7th - 7 / 9 / 3
8th - 6 / 2 / 10
9th - 8 / 13 / 1
10th - 7 / 9 / 13
11th - 10 / 9 / 12
12th - 11 / 5 / 2
13th - 8 / 12 / 4
14th - 1 / 3 / 9
Good luck and good racing!!!
Today's selections dedicated to "Half Dollar" Bill and "Tribal Council" Howell. Backstretch Boys forever!!!
1st - 7 / 5 / 4
2nd - 8 / 2 / 6
3rd - 9 / 7 / 3
4th - 6 / 12 / 10
5th - 8 / 1 / 11
6th - 4 / 1 / 6
7th - 7 / 9 / 3
8th - 6 / 2 / 10
9th - 8 / 13 / 1
10th - 7 / 9 / 13
11th - 10 / 9 / 12
12th - 11 / 5 / 2
13th - 8 / 12 / 4
14th - 1 / 3 / 9
Good luck and good racing!!!
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1. 3--5--2 ROCKET TIME to blast off the day!
2. 3--2--1 DIVINE INTERVENTIO
3. 5-10--3 BODESTAR
4. 12-10-1 PLACE DES VOSGES we're going to Paris is this one wins!
5. 9-10-4 COMMANDING CURVE
6. 9--7--1 RAINHA DA BATERIA sign me up for the Carnival in Brazil if this one wins!
7. 7--1--3 HOLY BOSS Could an audience with the Pope be in my future?
8. 8-6-10 TARIS Maybe too far out for me to go to even if we do win.
9. 4-11-1 BEACH PATROL this one's easy for me, from SanDiego to SanFrancisco, sign me up!
10. 11-2-5 AMERICAN FREEDOM
11. 11-3-1 WORLD APPROVAL
12. 17-20-11 MOR SPIRIT
13. 4--9--2 MKUBWA
14. 6--1--1 FOREVER D'ORO
Good luck to all and sleep well tonight!
2. 3--2--1 DIVINE INTERVENTIO
3. 5-10--3 BODESTAR
4. 12-10-1 PLACE DES VOSGES we're going to Paris is this one wins!
5. 9-10-4 COMMANDING CURVE
6. 9--7--1 RAINHA DA BATERIA sign me up for the Carnival in Brazil if this one wins!
7. 7--1--3 HOLY BOSS Could an audience with the Pope be in my future?
8. 8-6-10 TARIS Maybe too far out for me to go to even if we do win.
9. 4-11-1 BEACH PATROL this one's easy for me, from SanDiego to SanFrancisco, sign me up!
10. 11-2-5 AMERICAN FREEDOM
11. 11-3-1 WORLD APPROVAL
12. 17-20-11 MOR SPIRIT
13. 4--9--2 MKUBWA
14. 6--1--1 FOREVER D'ORO
Good luck to all and sleep well tonight!
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2016, 09:15:03 PM »
Rolling Thunder Ranch
1 -- 1, 4, 5
2 -- 1, 8, 2
3 -- 11, 3, 1
4 -- 11, 10, 3
5 -- 4, 10, 2
6 -- 1, 4, 3
7 -- 8, 1, 7
8 -- 8, 2, 10
9 -- 4, 6, 8
10--9, 6, 5
11--3, 1, 2
12--13, 11, 6
13--7, 5, 6
14--7, 12, 4
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2016, 09:15:03 PM »
Rolling Thunder Ranch
1 -- 1, 4, 5
2 -- 1, 8, 2
3 -- 11, 3, 1
4 -- 11, 10, 3
5 -- 4, 10, 2
6 -- 1, 4, 3
7 -- 8, 1, 7
8 -- 8, 2, 10
9 -- 4, 6, 8
10--9, 6, 5
11--3, 1, 2
12--13, 11, 6
13--7, 5, 6
14--7, 12, 4