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BaroqueAgain1
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Charismatic looks wonderful. His groom has him burnished to a mirror finish...which can't be easy to do in mid-winter. 
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BaroqueAgain1
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I LOVE seeing the stallions with no gear on them. Nekkid horses...YESSS!!
I'll bet that's a Bronwen Heally photo.
I'll bet that's a Bronwen Heally photo.
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Sparrow Castle
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Melissa Bauer-Herzog @mbauerherzog
The superbly talented I Want Revenge has his first yearlings this year.
Melissa Bauer-Herzog @mbauerherzog
The evergreen Even the Score was being a bit goofy today.
Melissa Bauer-Herzog @mbauerherzog
If you like tall, dark and handsome, Giant Oak is the man for you.
The superbly talented I Want Revenge has his first yearlings this year.
Melissa Bauer-Herzog @mbauerherzog
The evergreen Even the Score was being a bit goofy today.
Melissa Bauer-Herzog @mbauerherzog
If you like tall, dark and handsome, Giant Oak is the man for you.
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Ridan_Remembered
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Charismatic looks absolutely wonderful. I hope he can come home one day.
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BaroqueAgain1
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Why ship aged stallions thousands of miles? Why take them from homes where, judging by those photos of a glossy Charismatic and handsome Roses In May, they are pampered? Why haul them back to Kentucky when, as far as the horse is concerned, it hasn't been "home" for decades?
I know I've griped about this subject elsewhere, but I don't see how it's in the best interest of the HORSE.
Now, if a pensioned stallion were being kicked out on to the street, so to speak, that would be different. But from everything I've read, the Japanese farms have been diligent in the care of their older stallions.
(And yes, I suspect that Ferdinand's sad fate is a lingering embarrassment that the breeders there are unlikely to forget.)
I know I've griped about this subject elsewhere, but I don't see how it's in the best interest of the HORSE.
Now, if a pensioned stallion were being kicked out on to the street, so to speak, that would be different. But from everything I've read, the Japanese farms have been diligent in the care of their older stallions.
(And yes, I suspect that Ferdinand's sad fate is a lingering embarrassment that the breeders there are unlikely to forget.)
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Northport
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dingdingdingBaroqueAgain1 wrote:Why ship aged stallions thousands of miles? Why take them from homes where, judging by those photos of a glossy Charismatic and handsome Roses In May, they are pampered? Why haul them back to Kentucky when, as far as the horse is concerned, it hasn't been "home" for decades?
I know I've griped about this subject elsewhere, but I don't see how it's in the best interest of the HORSE.
Now, if a pensioned stallion were being kicked out on to the street, so to speak, that would be different. But from everything I've read, the Japanese farms have been diligent in the care of their older stallions.
(And yes, I suspect that Ferdinand's sad fate is a lingering embarrassment that the breeders there are unlikely to forget.)
I know it is nice to think that USA is 'home' for these horses, but they spend the first 4 or so years of their lives in the USA, then the next 15+ in Japan. Old Friends is a terrific charity and their mission is great, but their facility vs. JBBA, Shadai, etc. doesn't even compare.
I was on the bandwagon at first when it came to repatriating pensioned stallions from Japan, but now that it has actually happened twice (one of which resulting in the sour War Emblem having to be gelded at 17 to comply with quarantine regulations) it just seems unrealistic and a bit juvenile to want senior horses to return to where they were born so that fans can take photos with them.
I have also become a huge fan of Japanese racing and follow their breeding industry much closer than I used to, and they are not the boogeyman that many American fans continue to believe they are.
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BaroqueAgain1
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I would include shipping elderly stallions from any country, so long as they are cherished there.
Alysheba was sent back here from Saudi Arabia, where he had been a pampered resident of the Royal Stables. IIRC, he only lived a few months after returning to Kentucky.
Alysheba was sent back here from Saudi Arabia, where he had been a pampered resident of the Royal Stables. IIRC, he only lived a few months after returning to Kentucky.
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sweettalk
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i'd give my right arm to see charismatic again, little would make me happier. but look at him. he looks fantastic. i wouldn't want to jeopardise that, that'd be selfish.
(i do feel grumpy when we sell our studs overseas and they end up with ~30/year and none of the better producers for a lot of their career, because i wonder if we wasted an opportunity, if they'd have been better producers here, but i'm aware that's just a bias i'll never know the answer to and hardly worth getting angry about, as are most "what ifs".)
(i do feel grumpy when we sell our studs overseas and they end up with ~30/year and none of the better producers for a lot of their career, because i wonder if we wasted an opportunity, if they'd have been better producers here, but i'm aware that's just a bias i'll never know the answer to and hardly worth getting angry about, as are most "what ifs".)
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Flanders
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It isn't in the best interest of the horse if the horse is being taken care of. They have fans and people that love them in the countries they are in, just like they do in the US. Its in the best interest of people's egos. It makes me feel bad for the horses who are used to their grooms and routines for years at these farms, being uprooted and sent far away.BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Why ship aged stallions thousands of miles? Why take them from homes where, judging by those photos of a glossy Charismatic and handsome Roses In May, they are pampered? Why haul them back to Kentucky when, as far as the horse is concerned, it hasn't been "home" for decades?
I know I've griped about this subject elsewhere, but I don't see how it's in the best interest of the HORSE.
Now, if a pensioned stallion were being kicked out on to the street, so to speak, that would be different. But from everything I've read, the Japanese farms have been diligent in the care of their older stallions.
(And yes, I suspect that Ferdinand's sad fate is a lingering embarrassment that the breeders there are unlikely to forget.)
I think they feel like they have to include return clauses on big name stallions who are sold overseas because of what happened to Ferdinand and Exceller. But what happened to them was an exception, they were owned by pieces of crap who didn't try to find them a new home. Or in Exceller's case, refused to sell him to anyone but the slaughter house.
I can understand getting upset if one of your favorites if sold overseas. However the people who think that any stallion sold overseas is at danger for slaughter is an asshat because they aren't in danger. The Japanese breeders were embarrassed by what happened to Ferdinand.
I've always admired the Turkish Jockey Club's refusal to send horses back that they own. They take care of them and have owned them for most of their lives and they love them, why would they send them back?
