Calumet Farms - Bought a Coloured TB??

Life At Zen · Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:28 pm

Flanders wrote:I know that one page said he was tested and is black but he looks bay in over half the pictures I've seen of him. He also looks bay in this Youtube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuwGt63ZPqc

Sun bleaching. Even though they say he "never fades in the sun."

BaroqueAgain1 · Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:48 pm

I'm not sure I trust the color accuracy of a Youtube video, especially since there seemed to be an overall orange-ish cast to that footage.
If he was DNA tested...and I have no reason to think that this would be something his connections would, or could, fake...he carries no red or agouti gene. IIRC, that means he can't BE bay.
As far as "go buy a Paint," aren't most Paints of Quarterhorse or working stock heritage? If someone wants a horse with Thoroughbred or Warmblood conformation, that might not work for them.
Hopefully, Calumet will release some information that answers all (or most of) our questions about Risque's future.

Insane Crazy · Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:24 pm

Life At Zen wrote:Why do we need coloured TB's? Go buy a Paint. Accidental cool colours happen sometimes in Tb's, but it should never be the main focus of why you're breeding.

Shrug. Why do we need anything, really? Because some people want them? I dunno. I never said the color should be the point of breeding, but one can aim to breed for good specimens in an interesting color. It doesn't have to be all or nothing, it's just a process to get there (and it requires people who want to improve the realm they're breeding in, which...yeah, that's a crapshoot under any breeding standard).

I'm happy with a good horse in any color, but I get wanting a good horse in an extra cool color. If you love TBs and love paint patterns, there's not much to reconcile the two. You can find some very nice warmbloods or a cross, surely, but some people feel passionate about wanting a pure TB. I think it'd be neat -- I'd buy one, if it was the right horse for me under the spots. I wouldn't breed for one, but someone with time/money/expertise might make it happen.

Why do we need Knabstruppers? We don't, but people like spots and the breed is going in interesting directions under the care of those looking to improve it, so I suppose I'll take it.

Life At Zen · Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:48 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I'm not sure I trust the color accuracy of a Youtube video, especially since there seemed to be an overall orange-ish cast to that footage.
If he was DNA tested...and I have no reason to think that this would be something his connections would, or could, fake...he carries no red or agouti gene. IIRC, that means he can't BE bay.
As far as "go buy a Paint," aren't most Paints of Quarterhorse or working stock heritage? If someone wants a horse with Thoroughbred or Warmblood conformation, that might not work for them.
Hopefully, Calumet will release some information that answers all (or most of) our questions about Risque's future.

Plenty of Paints out there with heavy thoroughbred influence and no, they aren't the stock type you see in the halter rings.

Insane Crazy · Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:51 pm

I realized I didn't know where the overo in TB comes from - turns out no one might, but along the way I pulled up Mumtaz's lovely site. Some good reading for those new to the color game who might be interested in what's unique about this guy, regardless of what the plans are for him. Elusive Quality and Racey Remarque are both mentioned.

http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/pintotbs.html

(Also some neato photos of some maximally expressed DW and sabino TBs, for those who like a LOT of white...)

kateanddave08 · Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:08 pm

well if you can't raise a horse that can race, you might as well breed for color

Treve · Sat Feb 13, 2016 8:15 pm

holy 2 year old necro

CoronadosQuest · Sat Feb 13, 2016 8:46 pm

Whatever happened to that stallion? I never saw him on Calumet..

Flanders · Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:01 pm

CoronadosQuest wrote:Whatever happened to that stallion? I never saw him on Calumet..

I doubt they'd advertise him. He did cover 8 mares in Kentucky in 2015.

They mention the stallion in the article and Calumet's stallion division director said Kelley plans on racing his foals and also had bought a white filly at some point.
http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/news/b ... r/1833866/

BaroqueAgain1 · Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:40 pm

The Jockey Club may only have those eight mares officially, but that doesn't mean he didn't impregnate more mares via AI, which would be allowed for Warmbloods, IIRC.
Now I'm really curious to see what his 2016 foals look like.

Rainyday · Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:43 am

I have to admit I actually sort of admire Kelley for just doing whatever he wants with his stallion operation, commerciality be damned.

Treve · Sun Feb 14, 2016 4:48 am

Warmbloods, unregistered Sport Horse TBs and Paint Horses since he's registered with the APHA as well.

Flanders · Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:50 pm

Does Brad Kelley breed other horses? Because if Risque Remarque was standing for other breeds, he would have to be advertised. It seems like Kelley doesn't want people to know he owns the horse so I doubt he bred any other mares, via AI or otherwise.

Treve · Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:29 pm

Flanders wrote:Does Brad Kelley breed other horses? Because if Risque Remarque was standing for other breeds, he would have to be advertised. It seems like Kelley doesn't want people to know he owns the horse so I doubt he bred any other mares, via AI or otherwise.

He may not have had to advertise him though, since it seems this was an established stallion before he was sold. Who knows though, he may have just bought him to experiment with personally.

mariasmon · Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:25 pm

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Somnambulist · Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:46 pm

Rainyday wrote:I have to admit I actually sort of admire Kelley for just doing whatever he wants with his stallion operation, commerciality be damned.

I agree. If I had that much money I would too. It's admirable.

Starine · Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:19 pm

Life At Zen wrote:Why do we need coloured TB's? Go buy a Paint. Accidental cool colours happen sometimes in Tb's, but it should never be the main focus of why you're breeding.

Because, when breeding for color --among other things-- is done thoughtfully and carefully, you sometimes get horses like this:

firehorse · Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:08 am

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She should have 'moo' somewhere in her name.

BaroqueAgain1 · Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:14 am

That Risque Remarque filly is pretty flashy, and it looks like that flash is painted on a very nice, leggy youngster. I'd love to see what she looks like in a year or two.

Life At Zen · Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:18 am

Starine wrote:
Life At Zen wrote:Why do we need coloured TB's? Go buy a Paint. Accidental cool colours happen sometimes in Tb's, but it should never be the main focus of why you're breeding.
Because, when breeding for color --among other things-- is done thoughtfully and carefully, you sometimes get horses like this:

It should still never be the main focus of why you're breeding. Conformation and purpose/function are what you strive for. It's why we end up with so many backyard horses with flashy markings but awful conformation and temperaments.