Matings 2016

[Acadiana]

Take Charge Brandi --> Curlin

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/ta ... n-in-2016/

Am I the only one who went, "Blech?"

Well, it won't be a very attractive foal...but maybe it'll run.

[Life At Zen]

Take Charge Brandi --> Curlin

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/ta ... n-in-2016/

Am I the only one who went, "Blech?"

Why Blech?

[Twingo]

Obsequious (Fusaichi Pegasus) --> Liam's Map

Mississippi Queen (Artie Schiller) (half to Asi Siempre) --> Competitive Edge

[Admin]

Well, it won't be a very attractive foal...but maybe it'll run.

I'm not getting all the negative comments either. Why wouldn't this mating result in an attractive foal? I know Curlin's attractive and I assume TCB is as well based on her purchase price.

Why do we hope that TCB is correct? Is Curlin incorrect?

And finally, why "blech"? That's an opinion and it's fine to have, just wonder why? Curlin's a good sire and with Sikura owning at least a piece of both, it makes sense that'd be who he chose.

[Northport]

It's a big jump for Scat Daddy, but his numbers in Chile are insane, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them continue to ship mares over to breed to him at that price. I know it isn't exactly world class horse racing, but the amount of stakes winning horses by SD over there are wild.

[Insane Crazy]

It's a big jump for Scat Daddy, but his numbers in Chile are insane, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them continue to ship mares over to breed to him at that price. I know it isn't exactly world class horse racing, but the amount of stakes winning horses by SD over there are wild.

Did he ship down there at some point? Or did he just happen to get a bunch of shipped in mares and one thing led to another...?

[Northport]

It's a big jump for Scat Daddy, but his numbers in Chile are insane, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them continue to ship mares over to breed to him at that price. I know it isn't exactly world class horse racing, but the amount of stakes winning horses by SD over there are wild.

Did he ship down there at some point? Or did he just happen to get a bunch of shipped in mares and one thing led to another...?

He shuttled to Australia in 2008, and Chile 2009-2011, but a case of dehydration when en route to Argentina July 2013 has kept him grounded in Kentucky since then. I believe South American breeders have still been sending mares up to Kentucky on SH time for coverings, and last year Coolmore offered several mares at KEENOV in foal to him on SH time.

Here is a good article on his Chilean success, but if you look at his Stallion Register page you can see he has had at least 9 South American G1 wins since the article was published.
https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/arti ... ileo-chile

[Insane Crazy]

It's a big jump for Scat Daddy, but his numbers in Chile are insane, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them continue to ship mares over to breed to him at that price. I know it isn't exactly world class horse racing, but the amount of stakes winning horses by SD over there are wild.

Did he ship down there at some point? Or did he just happen to get a bunch of shipped in mares and one thing led to another...?

He shuttled to Australia in 2008, and Chile 2009-2011, but a case of dehydration when en route to Argentina July 2013 has kept him grounded in Kentucky since then. I believe South American breeders have still been sending mares up to Kentucky on SH time for coverings, and last year Coolmore offered several mares at KEENOV in foal to him on SH time.

Here is a good article on his Chilean success, but if you look at his Stallion Register page you can see he has had at least 9 South American G1 wins since the article was published.
https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/arti ... ileo-chile

I was actually just looking at him on Stallion Register and was super confused by all of the Chilean stakes winners he had, so this was a very well-timed post. Thanks for the information! That's very interesting. I didn't even know that offering mares in foal on SH time was a thing they would do.

[Izvestia]

Posted by Glen Hill Farm on their Facebook page:

2016 Matings
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Atrea-War Front
Biorhythm-Street Sense
Branding-Into Mischief
Broken Dreams-Curlin
Closeout-Ghostzapper
Customer Base-Ghostzapper
Educating-Into Mischief
Emerald Gold-Uncle Mo
Grat-Curlin
Gratification-Summer Front
Holidaysatthefarm-Data Link
Indy Blaze-Stormy Atlantic
Indy Groove-Street Sense
Key Component-Summer Front
Louvakhova-Kitten's Joy
Marketing Mix-War Front
Mutually Benefit-Declaration of War
No Panic-Maclean's Music
Onenightin Beijing-Liam's Map
Pontchatrain-Curlin
Positivelycharming-Bayern
Qualatative-Bayern
Rainbow's Song-Munnings
River Forest-Maclean's Music
Sly Storm-Curlin
Theatre Star-Medaglia D'Oro
What a Spot-Flatter
Wishing Gate-Scat Daddy

[Twingo]

More super mares from Coolmore

Charming (dam of Take Charge Brandi)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . --> American Pharoah
Playa Maya (dam of Uncle Mo)

[Acadiana]

Well, it won't be a very attractive foal...but maybe it'll run.

I'm not getting all the negative comments either. Why wouldn't this mating result in an attractive foal? I know Curlin's attractive and I assume TCB is as well based on her purchase price.

Why do we hope that TCB is correct? Is Curlin incorrect?

And finally, why "blech"? That's an opinion and it's fine to have, just wonder why? Curlin's a good sire and with Sikura owning at least a piece of both, it makes sense that'd be who he chose.

Giant's Causeway and Smart Strike are both known for having unattractive babies. Not saying they can't run, but they ain't always pretty. And by unattractive, I don't necessarily mean not correct. I've heard you want a fairly correct mare to go to Curlin though. Maybe someone can confirm. I've seen him once, but not out of the pasture.

[Treve]

I'm not getting all the negative comments either. Why wouldn't this mating result in an attractive foal? I know Curlin's attractive and I assume TCB is as well based on her purchase price.

Why do we hope that TCB is correct? Is Curlin incorrect?

And finally, why "blech"? That's an opinion and it's fine to have, just wonder why? Curlin's a good sire and with Sikura owning at least a piece of both, it makes sense that'd be who he chose.

Giant's Causeway and Smart Strike are both known for having unattractive babies. Not saying they can't run, but they ain't always pretty. And by unattractive, I don't necessarily mean not correct. I've heard you want a fairly correct mare to go to Curlin though. Maybe someone can confirm. I've seen him once, but not out of the pasture.

From the latest photos I've seen of him, he's slightly downhill, and both his front and hind legs have poor angulation, and he's long in the pasterns especially in the back. How much of that is genetic and how much of that is from the wear and tear I cannot say for every trait, but those were just faults I remember off the top of my head and I remember thinking that if this wasn't Curlin those legs would scare me off. Otoh he has a handsome face, nice shoulder (could be more correct but it is good), deep chest, powerful engine etc. So, if you can find a mare who's perfect from the chest line down that would probably compliment him best.

I don't know what her legs are like but I think she's a little downhill too so that's an interesting choice. Baby will be butt high

[bare it all]

Go find a picture of Curlin's dam (if you even can anymore) and you'll see where he got those fronts. He's not bad but genetically he has it in him. She was pretty crooked - enough so she couldn't race. Laminitis got her and I think I recall there being some debate here how wrong it was to keep breeding her past a certain point because she couldn't even raise her foals anymore and they went to nurse mares.

[Treve]

Go find a picture of Curlin's dam (if you even can anymore) and you'll see where he got those fronts. He's not bad but genetically he has it in him. She was pretty crooked - enough so she couldn't race. Laminitis got her and I think I recall there being some debate here how wrong it was to keep breeding her past a certain point because she couldn't even raise her foals anymore and they went to nurse mares.

Interesting, good to know, I'll see if I can dig up some pics. I could also do a more in depth analysis of Curlin but I just remember thinking "eesh those legs" and that was before I even notice the pinfiring marks. It is actually quite remarkable if you think about what he was capable of accomplishing in spite of his biomechanics. And it does seem like he is passing on his talent so I can definitely see the appeal Especially if you find him mares that complement his qualities and balance out his flaws.

[Rainyday]

Go find a picture of Curlin's dam (if you even can anymore) and you'll see where he got those fronts. He's not bad but genetically he has it in him. She was pretty crooked - enough so she couldn't race. Laminitis got her and I think I recall there being some debate here how wrong it was to keep breeding her past a certain point because she couldn't even raise her foals anymore and they went to nurse mares.

I remember there being some video of her in her last couple of years where she looked pretty uncomfortable, poor thing.

What I've gathered in general as a long time fan is that there are stallions who throw pretty. There are stallions that throw correct. There are stallions that throw runners. And these three traits overlap a lot less than you might think.

[Acadiana]

Go find a picture of Curlin's dam (if you even can anymore) and you'll see where he got those fronts. He's not bad but genetically he has it in him. She was pretty crooked - enough so she couldn't race. Laminitis got her and I think I recall there being some debate here how wrong it was to keep breeding her past a certain point because she couldn't even raise her foals anymore and they went to nurse mares.

I remember there being some video of her in her last couple of years where she looked pretty uncomfortable, poor thing.

What I've gathered in general as a long time fan is that there are stallions who throw pretty. There are stallions that throw correct. There are stallions that throw runners. And these three traits overlap a lot less than you might think.

Work for some big farms and the sales

You'd be amazed what comes from some of those "top" stallions. I use to think stallions like Giant's Causeway must throw a bunch of amazing babies, but I must say, I HATE Giant's Causeway babies. Stubborn, rude, ugly things. Out of all the ones I saw I think ONE was pleasant to look at. I distinctly remember one with mule ears and a horribly crooked leg that ran me over to get out a stall door open about 3 inches (he won that time).

AP Indy had the most consistently attractive foals, along with his sons like.Bernardini. Distorted Humor is hit and miss with the front end and some are really tiny things. Medaglia d'Oro and Tiznow have big, strong looking babies. Hit or miss in the "attractive" department though.

Just some things that always amazed me with stud fees. To pay that much and still really being tossing a coin on what you'll end up with.NHeck, some of the cheaper stallions were about as consistent in the looks department as the big guys. I'll forever be in awe of those that can really pick a good one out at the sales. And, obviously, for the stallions it comes down to who can throw runners, not lookers.

[Sparrow Castle]

Looks like 5 year old Graded Stakes Winner Gold Medal Dancer (Medaglia d'Oro - Bachata, by Kingmambo) has been retired and has a date with War Front. She finished 3rd in the Chilukki Stakes - Gr. 2 on 11/7.

Pin Oak Stud ‏@PinOakStud 29m29 minutes ago
Good to be home in time for the Holidays...Have a date with War Front! #GoldMedalDancer

Edited to add the picture.

[JustinNich]

Originally posted in Matings 2015 by accident...

Happy to be able to add our matings list here now that it all seems to be coming together.

Thieves Guild (Medaglia D'oro x Gilded Gold, stakes-winner at Saratoga this year) - Speightstown
Fire Assay (Medaglia D'oro x Jostle, Graded stakes placed) - Honor Code
Bemused (Maria's Mon x Cloud's Ambre, family of Overanalyze) - Shanghai Bobby
Haysee (Orientate x Oatsee half-sis to Shackleford, full to Lady Joanne) - Goldencents
Bethesda (Medaglia D'oro x Masseuse, half-sis to Royal Artillery, a promising 2yo in UK) - Declaration of War
Bridal Memories (Unbridled x Memories of Silver, half-sis to Winter Memories) - Summer Front
McCool (Giant's Causeway x Dame Again, from family of Daylami/Dalakhani) - Palace Malice (to be foaled in NY)

We'll likely have a really fun one to add next year as our Galileo filly, Brandybend, will race through her 4-year-old season in 2016 and could well retire after that. Eager to work on those matings when the time comes.

Best of luck to all who are breeding this year!

[Sparrow Castle]

Originally posted in Matings 2015 by accident...

Happy to be able to add our matings list here now that it all seems to be coming together.

Thieves Guild (Medaglia D'oro x Gilded Gold, stakes-winner at Saratoga this year) - Speightstown
Fire Assay (Medaglia D'oro x Jostle, Graded stakes placed) - Honor Code
Bemused (Maria's Mon x Cloud's Ambre, family of Overanalyze) - Shanghai Bobby
Haysee (Orientate x Oatsee half-sis to Shackleford, full to Lady Joanne) - Goldencents
Bethesda (Medaglia D'oro x Masseuse, half-sis to Royal Artillery, a promising 2yo in UK) - Declaration of War
Bridal Memories (Unbridled x Memories of Silver, half-sis to Winter Memories) - Summer Front
McCool (Giant's Causeway x Dame Again, from family of Daylami/Dalakhani) - Palace Malice (to be foaled in NY)

We'll likely have a really fun one to add next year as our Galileo filly, Brandybend, will race through her 4-year-old season in 2016 and could well retire after that. Eager to work on those matings when the time comes.

Best of luck to all who are breeding this year!

Wow, that's some powerhouse matching! Can't wait to see how the Fire Assay-Honor Code foal does. And Bethesda to Declaration of War. And Haysee with Goldencents. Okay, all of them. Good luck!

[Treve]

Originally posted in Matings 2015 by accident...

Happy to be able to add our matings list here now that it all seems to be coming together.

Thieves Guild (Medaglia D'oro x Gilded Gold, stakes-winner at Saratoga this year) - Speightstown
Fire Assay (Medaglia D'oro x Jostle, Graded stakes placed) - Honor Code
Bemused (Maria's Mon x Cloud's Ambre, family of Overanalyze) - Shanghai Bobby
Haysee (Orientate x Oatsee half-sis to Shackleford, full to Lady Joanne) - Goldencents
Bethesda (Medaglia D'oro x Masseuse, half-sis to Royal Artillery, a promising 2yo in UK) - Declaration of War
Bridal Memories (Unbridled x Memories of Silver, half-sis to Winter Memories) - Summer Front
McCool (Giant's Causeway x Dame Again, from family of Daylami/Dalakhani) - Palace Malice (to be foaled in NY)

We'll likely have a really fun one to add next year as our Galileo filly, Brandybend, will race through her 4-year-old season in 2016 and could well retire after that. Eager to work on those matings when the time comes.

Best of luck to all who are breeding this year!

Looking forward to these babies! Good luck, wishing all the mares a successful breeding, safe pregnancy and uneventful foaling